Talking Equity and HealthTech with Doximity (w/ Félix Manuel Chinea, MD)

Zach sits down with Félix Manuel Chinea, MD, the head of DEI at Doximity, to talk about the intersection of health, equity, and tech.

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(00:59): What’s up y’all it’s Zach from Living Corporate. And look, yo, I’m really excited about today’s conversation I had with the head of DEI at Doximity. Doximity is a health tech organization. Learn about them by clicking the link in the show notes. So you know what? I ain’t even trying to like, hold you. I’m not. I’m like, you hear my energy, you hear my voice. I’m genuinely thrilled about the fact I was able to talk to Felix. A really great conversation. Just talking about the intersection of healthcare, tech and justice. Really invigorating listening to somebody who’s in frankly, very oppressive, historically racist spaces with so much hope. And frankly like a bold vision on what diversity, equity and inclusion and organizational justice looks like in his field.

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Zach (06:02): Felix man, welcome to the show. How are you doing?

Felix (06:05): Good. Good. I’m happy to be here. I’m excited.

Zach (06:08): Man, let me tell you, it means a lot that, you know, I know we connected at D and G and like, are you serious? And I was like, yeah, for sure. I want to hear about, I wanna learn about your current role and the work that you’re doing now, but, I think I wanna just start with like your journey. Like how did you get here? And when I say here in DEI at Doximity. What were the culmination of events that resulted in us having this conversation today?

Felix (06:38): Yeah, so I think similar to a lot of other people of color, it was a very non-linear journey. You know, moving from like student leadership into medicine, and now a formal DEI role within health tech. Yeah, very non-linear. So, I’m Puerto Rican. I was born and grew up in the mainland U.S., mostly in the south. And because of that, I was always in search of community and that sense of belonging. For that reason I was deeply involved in Latina student organizations in college, and in medical school as well. It was in those spaces that I really learned about social justice, racial identity, health disparities and intersectionality. And in those spaces as well, like I had the opportunity to really develop leadership and organizing skills, through taking on leadership roles in those spaces as well. After becoming a medical doctor, I decided to take some time and do research in health disparities. Thinking that I was going to still become that academic clinician researcher that medical schools always tell you that’s the way to make an impact in healthcare.

(07:44): After a couple years of doing that I was super frustrated with the slow nature and the traditional culture of academic medicine. And that combined with my own experiences of being marginalized in those spaces, I decided that I wanted to try to make that impact in health tech. And that’s what really brought me to Doximity. So I was at Doximity for about two years, maybe a little bit longer, the pandemic hit. I made my way into that space focusing on clinical content and the news part of the organization. Like I said, the pandemic hit, and the murder of George Floyd was really a turning point for us, like a lot of other companies. So a few of my colleagues and I really took it upon ourselves to organize and take action, and create space, a space for marginalized folks within the company. Culminated in the formalization of employee resource groups, all the way to hosting health equity, focused leaders or speakers within the company as well. And I think we really started the ball rolling on creating meaningful change within the company.

(08:47): And as we were doing that, as things were kind of growing and we were growing that sort of impact, we were pleased with immediate and the ongoing supportive leadership. Who also took the initiative to actually start creating that formal DEI structure within Doximity as well. That ultimately led to the creation of my current position. So when they created that position, they approached me and asked me if I wanted to take that on. I was a bit hesitant. I had not seen myself taking on a formal DEI role, like as my career path. So I spoke with them, talked to them about what they envisioned for the role, what was the agency that was gonna be given and the growth for the role? Those were two things that were very important to me. Thinking to myself that if I’m gonna take this on, I really want to be effective. I felt good and I took the leap. Here I am. I think it’s always a leap of faith when pivoting career choices or taking on new roles, but I felt good about it. And I really know the people at Doximity are hoping that this can make a real meaningful change. And I’m hoping to do that.

Zach (09:49): Well, I’m gonna tell you, it’s exciting. And I think about, no, health tech. And I think about even the story that you just shared, but also, you know, we follow each other on social media. And I try to do a decent job of like seeing what my people are about before they come on Living Corporate. So, I’m curious, like you talk a lot about justice and equity in healthcare. I think justice is like this, it’s where folks kind of avoid. It kind of separates the wheat from the chaft a bit. I’m curious like what do you believe it means to have justice in healthcare? And then considering that Doximity is a health tech company, what’s the intersection of healthcare, justice and tech?

Felix (10:35): Yeah, no, that’s a great question. And I completely agree with you. So for me, I see health equity as the goal here, and I see justice as the path to get to that goal. Right now, we know that inequities and health disparities exist. That’s our current state. And health justice is being able to frame and approach to get closer to equity. I think it’s important to have that sort of language, because what it does is it frames our approach in creating solutions. Understanding that this work is about justice means that current systems are unjust. And then, doing that helps us invest in solutions towards addressing disparities. And understanding it in a way that we know that this is not charity work, this is justice work. And I think that sits a bit differently when you talk about it that way. That, it sits differently when you’re talking about resources, when you’re talking about time, and even the mindset in which people approach the work, or even start doing it or start the thinking about it, you start understanding that this is not a one time donation. This is not a pat yourself on the back event, but instead, this is something that helps us stay true to the values that we say we have. Because I think a lot of companies, this country, say like, we have values in justice. Well, it takes work to stick to that. It takes work to keep your values. And I think having that sort of justice approach helps us do that.

Zach (12:05): Yeah. You know, it’s interesting, like to that point, that statement, I’m curious to get your perspective on the corporate landscape of DEI today. And, you know, it’s 202,1 we’re rapidly approaching 2022. I’m curious as you look at this decade, not only what do you surmise of the current landscape, but then, where do you see it going between now and 2030?

Felix (12:32): Yeah. Don’t make 2022 come too fast though. All right, so I’m gonna warn you, I am a cautious optimist and I think this work is it’s hard not to be optimistic. It’s hard to do this work without being optimistic about change. And so, where I think, and I’m hoping the field is moving in a direction of is, growing and having a better ability to have nuanced conversations around the topics that we care so deeply about. I think also growing towards the direction of functionally applying the topics that we talk about and we know about. Functionally applying historical and social context to systems, I think is like a really important thing for people in the DEI space to have an understanding of. I’m continuing to learn from folks in this space, many people through the interviews that you’ve conducted, especially Michelle Kim, her book, The Wake Up.

Zach (13:35): Shout out to Michelle Kim.

Felix (13:37): Oh my God. Wow, that book, I’m about 80 pages in, and I appreciate her ability to put words, to navigate nuance topics while also guiding us to functionally center equity in our work, in our actions and decisions. I think that’s so important. It’s important for us to continue like taking this conceptual learning of zero sum thinking, racialized identities, white supremacy culture. And being able to take that, but also understanding that serving in corporate DEI roles, we have to step out of that conceptual and change policies, practices, and products. And I think ultimately, our job is to change those policies, practices and products. We’re looking to impact marginalized folks in an equitable way. And to do that, we need to understand business goals, metrics, incentives. And build trust and relationships with leaders to communicate with them that, centering equity is of personal, organizational and societal interest.

(14:43): And what I think, I guess what I’m most excited or where I’m hoping in the next 10 years that we’re going to see things kind of evolve, is that I think the people who are gonna be the most effective in the DEI space are gonna be those who are able to demonstrate all those things. And also combine that with industry experience. I think taking industry experience and also taking that conceptual and being able to functionally apply it to systems is going to create the type of professionals who are gonna be really effective in demonstrating why equity helps a company better align with its own missions and values. And I think those people are gonna be the most effective in the next 10 years.

Zach (15:25): You know, it’s interesting what you’re also speaking to, like you said it, off top is just like, there’s a certain level of just critical and systems thinking that doesn’t really exist, like in mass. Period. And certainly, in spaces related to the centering and amplifying of historically marginalized voices and experiences. And so, I agree. I think we need an optimist. You know, I’ll tell you, I mean, you listen to Living Corporate, like I am not an optimist. I think I’m…

Felix (15:57): That’s why I gave you that warning.

Zach (16:00): I think I’m more of like a cold realist as I look at just history. When I look at American history and look at global history, I look at like current systems and the means of capital development around the world today and the systems by which we generate capital and the people that we exploit to generate said capital. Like it’s tough. It’s tough for me to look at that and and be optimistic. But to your point, I also do see like, people thinking and applying knowledge in new ways, and challenging systems in ways that is, in these new technological contexts that is encouraging. So I’m not gonna sit back and be like, this is pointless. It’s not. I just, it’s tough, Felix. You know, you just look around you just like, eh all right.

(16:46): I mean I’m curious though, like to that end, as we talk about like the application of DEI thought leadership within like subject matter expertise, like within technical context. Do you foresee organizations ever foregoing immediate, strong profit in the name of longer term profit? That is the first part of my question. And the reason I even asked that is, because I’m thinking about Netflix. So, you know, the Dave Chappelle, the walkout, or the relate to the walkout because of the offensive content,, the transphobic material that he created. Bunch of whining. And spoiler alert y’all, I mean, somebody who really historically is foundationally funny, specials, weren’t very good. Which is another conversation we’ll have on another day. But the point is like, you know, I was talking to some colleagues about Netflix, and about like the challenge that they’re in.

(17:40): And I was thinking, the truth of the matter is, is that these employees walked out because they were frustrated Netflix would publish the content. But the truth of the matter is, if Netflix really cared about these populations more than they cared about making money, then there would’ve been stronger clauses in the contracts that they inked with Dave Chappelle, and other similar content creators. So that, in the instance where, Hey, we find this content to be offensive, and our employees, our people, the people who actually are the lifeblood of this company, our engineers, don’t like this. And so here’s what we’re gonna do. They would have, but they didn’t. And so, I think what depresses me about that is, I think about, again, I’m using Netflix as an example, but like there’s an immediate value, there’s immediate profit, or more immediate profits to be made by signing someone like a Dave Chappelle, super mega comedian star.

(18:37): But the reality is the PR fallout and there’s costs with that too. And, Netflix doesn’t actually need Dave Chappelle to survive, but they do need competent engineer years. What I’m saying, because of these capitalistic context within which we exist, they’re going to choose to pay Dave Chappelle, because they know the money is gonna generate from their platform. And so, all of this is to say, I think I get depressed because I’m like, dang. Like I just don’t know if I’ve ever seen a situation where a company’s like, look, we could make this money, right now or, we can forego these dollars right now and make, make money longer over time, and not harm people. That’s where I get frustrated cuz even when I think about like all the DEI stuff and all the work that Netflix does. To like talk about how much they care about black and brown voices and historically marginalized voices, but like it doesn’t match when it comes to like how they actually do business. You know what I mean?

Felix (19:38): Yeah. No, I mean, I think we’re seeing the growing pains, like as a society of getting there. I think we’re seeing change, we’re seeing progress as kind of like across different industries and like in corporate America, of representation. And seeing a bit more content change and like seeing ourselves like in these types of content spaces, or like seeing ourselves served through different products. Is it fully there? No. I mean, we’re seeing that kind of happen in different spaces. And I think those sorts of events where companies aren’t quite meeting the mark, are going to serve as case studies. We’re seeing that we’re learning from that. And those are warning shots for anyone else who is getting into wanting to recruit people from underrepresented background and historically marginalized communities. And having to grapple with the fact of how do we truly see these people? How do we truly treat them in an equitable and inclusive way? What does that actually mean when it comes down to it?

(20:48): Well it means, you know, our practices, policies and products have to be equitable. We have to center equity. And like you said, when you put pen to paper, when you decide what those policies are, what you decide what those agreements are, that means representation has to be at every part of the company, in a order to be able to encompass that, and do it in a way that is meaningful and captures different lived experiences in those different lenses. In health tech in particular, I think that’s super important because our products eventually impact patients. So we need the patients that we’re gonna eventually impact to be represented in the people who create those products. I think that’s super important. And I think previously in the DEI spaces, I’ve heard you talk about it a lot on your podcast as well. In traditional DEI, people have had the superficial sort of like approach to diversity, just kind of the representational piece. I’m super excited for us to take that and move into the next level of like really applying it to systems. And I think we’re moving there. We’re not quite there. I’m hopeful that we may get there.

Zach (21:58): And I’m not trying to down your parade. Like we need you. So people like, I recognize that there’s other perspectives to be had and we need people who are hopeful. And I think we’re all dreamers. It’s just like, we need various perspectives. So I hear you. And I’m excited about, really continue to talk a little bit more about Doximity a bit. You know, DEI is a space with high burnout. And I’m curious, how you’ve been able to navigate this as a leader in this space? Especially, I guess we could talk a little bit about like, why Doximity as well. But it’s like, as I think about healthcare and health tech, and from my perspective, it seems like there’s a lot of opportunities to burnout. And so, I’m curious to hear how you’ve navigated that at Doximity, but then, also, just like in general, as you continue to get in this work?

Felix (22:54): Yeah. So the first thing I think about with DEI work is, I have to always remind myself that there’s always work to be done. I think that’s important to think about understanding that. And also being married to a psychologist, wellness is super important to me. So, I’ve made it a priority to like regularly seek therapy. I try to get myself to take at least five to 10 minutes a day to meditate. That’s a constant struggle. I try to. What that does for me, as an individual and kind of like on my own personal efforts is, it helps me stay grounded and present. Which I think is really important when leading DEI initiatives, because it regularly calls on you to be empathetic, to practice strategic thinking. And it also calls on you, it stretches your ability to context switch, every single day.

(23:43): So for me, to like show up fully to work every day, that means like prioritizing my wellness, my rest, my recovery. I think aside from the things I’m doing on a personal level, and like on an individual level, being a person of color community is super important for me. Culturally, that’s how I approach this work. I approach it as like a collective effort. So that’s a really big source of grounding for me. Both the Onboard Health and The Filament have been amazing communities for me to be able to connect with people who are like-minded, people in the health tech space, or within DEI corporate roles as well. And then, honestly, Twitter. That’s giving me an opportunity to really connect with–

Zach (24:24): Word.

Felix (24:24): Yeah. Connect with you. Other like-minded professionals of color who are doing this work in different spaces. And just like, you know, either send a gift or, just be able to just like connect about a topic or hear people’s perspective. I’ve never seen so many thoughtful Twitter threads as I have, in the past three months. It’s been great.

Zach (24:46): You know, it’s wild. Like just when you think about and I’ve talked about this several times. In terms of, just offline discussions about like the future of learning. Like as a learning modality, like micro-blogging is the future man. Like people don’t havde the time sitting here, clicking no 45 minute eLearning clicking through some bland animations. Like, no. Give me the content. Give it to me in self-pace, but it’s only gonna probably be about two minutes. It’s gonna have hype hyperlinks if I wanna click and learn more, I can. But like the idea of like just micro based learning of like–

Felix (25:24): Yes.

Zach (25:24): I’m grabbing information and I’m going like TikTok. And shout out to Vine, which is the original TikTok. These youngins don’t know that though, Felix.

Felix (25:32): No.

Zach (25:32): But Vine was TikTok before TikTok but like this idea of like, you know, 7, 25, 30 second video. And I think it’s hard to really appreciate how much content and learning can be compressed in those formats, but they can be. So, yeah, it’s funny, like people used to really roll their eyes at like, oh, I really learned from Twitter. It’s like, no, you do. There’s a lot of experts. Like everybody, ton of experts on Twitter. You think about like Dr. Tema [inaudible 00:26:02] and like that Black Stocks, and like Amanda Hart, you said Michelle Kim. Like, there’s tons of people just dropping knowledge. Dr. Aaron Thomas. Like, there’s tons of people on there just dropping fire for free. And it’s like, you can pick it up and put it right back down. So, I’m right there with you.

(26:23): And then, also, shout to Therapy too because I really believe, first of all, I think everyone should be to going to therapy, and some form of therapy. And the therapy can take a lot of different forms, but we should all be seeking some form of therapy. And then, certainly for DEI professionals, like we need that, if we’re really doing the work. I feel like if you’re a DEI professional, you don’t feel like you need some therapy. I don’t know if you really doing work. You know what I mean?

Felix (26:50): I completely agree. That is so true.

Zach (26:53): You know, it’s interesting we talk about DEI, and as we talk about DEI and healthcare, it just feels like a lot to wrap your arms around. Like, of course there’s a matter of internal DEI for employees, making sure folks feel belong. There’s a level of belonging that your talent acquisition strategies are effective, that there’s effective opportunities to develop and grow, and progress within the company, that you’re being recognized equitably, and all of that. But equitable care, has also been a major gap from inception when you think about just like the history of healthcare in this country. Particularly around how, just the exploitation of black and indigenous women to even learn about like the human body, from black and brown men to learn about the human body. I’m curious, considering that, like how do you tackle like those complexities within your industry?

Felix (27:41): Yeah, no, that’s a great question. I appreciate you kind of pointing at the framing of like DEI that’s employee-facing, and then also, thinking about like within a healthcare space. Like what’s the point of healthcare? It’s supposed to be impacting patients, and seeing, and serving patients. So what is the function of DEI in that space and like what does that mean for what healthcare is supposed to be doing? The way I start this, and the way I approach any like complex problem is, I try to think about it in a structured way, and try to approach it in a structured way. So the first question I ask myself is, where is my sphere of influence and how can I impact change? So within health tech, that means we have the ability to create technology solutions.

(28:25): For Doximity, in particular, we have the ability to potentially impact over 1 million of our members. We have a telehealth tool that’s been used for over 1 million patient visits. And so, for those reasons, our approach is to not only become a more equitable and inclusive company for our employees, but for our members and community as well. Being a professional medical network, that means amplifying and ensuring underrepresented physician voices are heard, as we build products that support all of medicine. But that also means creating opportunities for folks in medicine and technology, to make sure that those underrepresented folks there’s additional opportunities that we work towards within those spaces, because those are spaces in which we sit at. And then, aside from that, thinking about our employees, our community and our members, I think it’s important to note that as we build products, our products also impact our clinicians and impact patients as well.

(29:26): I think a lot of folks think that technology solutions are unbiased and objective, but recent clinical studies have shown that they only amplify the biases of their creators, or the conditions in which they’re created in. So what that means is that they end up further exacerbating existing health inequities. So, for me, knowing those things, what I think is super important is for us to take DEI principles and use that to advance digital health equity within health tech companies. What I mean by that is, really building diverse teams, fostering an inclusive culture, and implementing equitable product design frameworks, to be able to develop solutions that positively impact communities. I think by intentionally creating those inclusive cultures, what we’re able to really do is take the lived experiences of marginalized folks within the company, within those diverse teams, and show that we truly value those lived experiences. To the point where they influence the direction of products, they influence decision-making, and then, ultimately, they impact the communities that they come from themselves. And what that’s doing is that’s really co-designing products, and then helping us iterate to improve accessibility. And I think that’s what’s gonna help us be part of the solution within digital health to make it more equitable and inclusive.

Zach (30:51): First of all, that’s beautiful. And it’s inspiring and validating for reasons we can talk about offline. But I think there’s something there. There’s a premise though, like in what, the framework that you just outlined, the premise is, that you find black and brown historically marginalized voices valuable. Like there’s something to be said, and I don’t know, Felix, it’s like there’s high level of paternalism within like just, in how white and majority spaces treat black and brown [inaudible 00:31:22] marginalized voices. Almost like, so I have a daughter she’s 19 months old. Went to daycare and she came back from her day at daycare with like an arts and crafts thing. And it was like this construction paper. And on the construction paper it had three circles. And then on each of them circles had little colors. Like she took out, it was like ripped up a little tissue paper, and then she organised each of the colors in the circles, and then, the daycare, they laminated it. And I’m like, oh, this is cute. Take it, gonna put it on refrigerator. It’s great. All right.

(31:54): Now look, Emery’s a baby. All right. I’m not about to go sell that at the Louvre, or whatever that place is called. It’s just a cute thing that my daughter did, and it shows development and growth. And hopefully, as she continues forward, she continues in her developmental milestones, she’ll create better crafts. And that what I just described, is how white folks kind of treat black and brown perspectives at work. It’s like, oh, this is a cute little kitty stuff. All right. And you pat em on the head. And it keeps them busy and distracted enough for them to do what you actually want them to do, which is, whatever it is you hired them for.

(32:29): And so, I think like what you’re describing is a certain level of respect and true presumption of peership as it pertains to thought leadership and competence. And I don’t know if like that attitude is one that is widely adopted. And so, salute to you. That’s dope. I just wanna call out, like for our audience listening and for aspirational allies, and those executive leaders that listen to Living Corporate, blah, blah, blah, like note that. It’s that, there’s a certain level of trust, and respect, and value that you have to place on these voices to even have them a part of like actual product development and go-to-market strategy and life cycle. Like that is incredible. Like what you’re describing is very inspiring. It’s very encouraging. And I just wanna make sure that, we note that, that doesn’t come without a certain adoption of mindsets. You know what I mean?

Felix (33:33): A hundred percent. I think that goes back to what we talked about before, around what justice looks like in healthcare, or like justice just in general. I think understanding and approaching this work from a justice lens helps us understand it’s not charity work. I think that’s where a lot of this comes from, where it’s like, you know, we’re recruiting people from underrepresented backgrounds because we are good people for doing that. No, that’s not the approach. That’s not why we’re doing that. By understanding that the current system is unjust and treating these communities in an unjust way historically and currently, we are living more true to our own values that we state that we have, by undoing that. And creating systems and processes that undo that. I think some of what you touched on where, a lot of folks aren’t quite there mindset-wise, a hundred percent. Like it’s hard to get the majority of folks to be there and really understand what that means.

(34:31): I think in a DEI role, traditionally, we’ve thought about, DEI’s kind of like changing hearts and minds. I don’t know how effective that is. I think there’s a role to be played in that and providing the opportunities for people who do want to do the work in a thoughtful and authentic way, to change their hearts and minds, but that is on the individual, and has gotta be on them to get there. I’m here to change systems and processes. That’s what I really want to focus on, and change the environment and the ways those systems and processes impact marginalized folks. And the way those systems and processes ultimately create products that impact our communities like on the outside as well.

Zach (35:13): You know, that leads me really, like really into my next question. Which is, what are you excited about? Or, let’s look at Doximity in the next 18 months. What gets you going? What gets your blood moving?

Felix (35:26): Yeah. So as I mentioned, my role is new. So that means building out the DEI structure, what DEI is at Doximity. So I’m super excited about that. It also means that I have a lot of things on my mind that I’m excited about doing, but over the next 18 months, I think some of the things that I’m most excited about is investing more in people data. I think it’s important to have data to this work in a thoughtful way. What that means is really being able to measure employee engagement and sentiment in the ways that, a lot of health tech, or a lot of tech companies do already, but doing it in a way that captures marginalized identities. Cuz if we are not able to do that, we’re not able to tell authentic stories of how those folks are being impacted within the company. And then, really be able to center equity in our decision making and the policies we create that, ultimately, are employee-facing and ultimately want to serve them in an equitable way.

Felix (36:27): I’m excited about doing that both on the pre-hire and the post-hire side. So we can have an understanding to improve our processes with recruitment and hiring. And then also, improve our of processes around retention and make sure that we’re keeping folks, and developing them, and promoting them in an equitable way as well. Aside from that, I’m super excited to lift up more bi-pop leaders within Doximity. We have some great leaders in Doximity that I feel like need to be lifted up, need to be seen and heard more. I’m excited to work towards that and make sure that’s done. I’m excited also to continue collaborating with product managers on developing that sort of equitable product design framework, and really lift up equity-centered features that we create. I think that’s the part where I’m most excited about, to be able to impact health equity through the products that we create, and working with people who are experts in what they do.

Zach (37:23): I love it, man. Look, you know, we could talk forever, Felix. I appreciate our discussion here, and I’m looking forward to you coming back. Before I let you go, any parting words or shout outs?

Felix (37:35): Yeah, no, I appreciate you giving me the opportunity. So shout out first to my wife, for always supporting me in everything. Shout out to my colleagues at Doximity doing the work, especially the ERG leaders at, b-pop at docs, women at docs, LGBTQ+ at docs. Shout out to Angelica and Alexandra for always being change agents. Sherry Buck, and Daisy Chu for supporting me and always giving me guidance. And lastly, Andre Blackman at Onboard Health, for creating that–

Zach (38:03): Shout out Andre. Yes.

Felix (38:05): Yes. So for creating that community, and honestly, like always gassing me up on Twitter, or any other space. I really appreciate him doing that, and yeah.

Zach (38:14): I love it, man. Look, Felix, it’s been a pleasure. We consider you a friend of the show. Want you to come back. Like, Doximity is doing this thing. Y’all got new products. Y’all have things going on that you think are relevant and pertinent for black and brown folks. You know, just because y’all got things going on, man, like keep us in mind. Like, you know what I’m saying? Would love to have you back. And let’s make sure that we just we keep on we keep the DMs warm as well.

Felix (38:36): Yeah. A hundred percent. And I appreciate you having me on the show. And you know, I’ll be listening. We’ll definitely keep you posted as we get more things coming and going.

Zach (38:46): That sounds good, man. We’ll talk soon. Peace.

Zach (38:56): And we’re back. Yo, thank you, Felix. Thank you Doximity. Thank you to all our listeners. Thank you to folks, first and last time, listeners. Thank you to the Gen X, the Gen Y the Gen Z, the Baby Boomers. Thank you to all of our supporters. Thank you to the people who getting the merch. Thank you to the folks who are checking out LinkedIn Learning, our content on our platform. And I really appreciate everyone who just takes the time to give Living Corporate five stars. To give us a review and just to tell somebody about Living Corporate. Like literally, especially this holiday season, so many conversations are being had left and right about diversity and community inclusion, employees, experiences and their expectations in this really unique season. That’s really like just, a lot of different things coming on top of each other. A very unique confluence of events, and pressures, and temperatures. And I just want you to know that you are appreciated. Take your time, take a breath, slow down, take this season to really reflect on what you want your 2022 to look like. All right. This has been Zach, ‘Till next time, you’ve been listening to Living Corporate. Talk to you soon. Peace.

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