See It to Be It : Marketing (w/ Jamar Jones)

Amy C. Waninger welcomes Foureva Media owner Jamar Jones to the show on this week’s See It to Be It. Jamar is a video marketing, branding and marketing architect, speaker, motivator, creator, gamer, and comic book enthusiast. Connect with him on LinkedIn via the show notes below!

You can connect with Jamar on LinkedIn.

Check out Foureva Media’s website.

TRANSCRIPT

Narrator (00:00): Living Corporate is brought to you by The Access Point. The reality is this is the largest influx of black and brown talent corporate America has ever had and as a result of variety of talent entering the workforce are first-generation professionals. The other reality, most of these folks, aren’t learning what it means to navigate a majority white workplace in their college classes. Enter The Access Point a live weekly web show within the Living Corporate network that gives black and brown college students the real talk they need and likely haven’t heard elsewhere. Every week our hosts and special guests are dropping gems so don’t miss out. Check out The Access Point, airing every Tuesday at 7PM CST on livingcorporate.tv.

Amy (00:56): Hey everybody, this is See It To Be It, the Saturday podcast from Living Corporate. Living Corporate is a digital media network that centers and amplifies black and brown people at work. My name is Amy C. Waninger, I’m the host of See It To Be It, when I was growing up in rural Southern Indiana I didn’t know people who went to college or who worked in professional roles. I didn’t know what those jobs looked like or how to break into them but this show isn’t about me. it’s about my guests. Every Saturday I bring you career stories from everyday role models in jobs you may not know exist. More importantly, the folks I interview shared their perspectives as black and brown professionals in jobs and environments where they may be the only. My guest today is Jamar Jones who runs relatable marketing, he also happens to be the leader of my marketing team for Lead At Any Level but before we get to the interview, we’re going to tap in with Tristan for some career advice.

Tristan (01:59): What’s going on you all? It’s Tristan of Layfield Resume Consulting and I’ve teamed up with Living Corporate to bring you all a weekly career tip. This week let’s talk about three things I think all professionals need to schedule regularly. Do you know when the best time to find a job is? Well, let me help you out, the answers when you’re not looking for one. Searching for a job can be stressful, think about it, trying to not only remember what you did the last four years of your career, but also having to write it down in a compelling way, attending a ton of events in a shorter amount of time to try and make new connections in hopes that that uncomfortable first interaction leads to a career. Connecting with people on the internet thinking that maybe just maybe someone will reach out with an opportunity. All of that induces a ton of anxiety and honestly, doesn’t position you for success in your job search. That’s why I think there are three things that all professionals, no matter if they love or hate their job should schedule on their calendars to help them in landing their next role. The first thing is time to update your resume. As I said earlier, trying to update your resume after four years of not touching it is the worst. Especially if you find that the application is due tomorrow, or someone says, hey, shoot your resume over to me now and I’ll see what I can do. If you put 30 minutes on your calendar every month to update your resume while everything is pretty fresh in your brain, you’ll keep yourself out of those binds because your resume will always be ready. The second thing that should be on your calendar is time for LinkedIn.

(03:25): Being active on LinkedIn can build up your network, which in turn can help you in your job search but being proactive about this allows you to build genuine, authentic connections that makes people want to help you in whatever way they can. There are the few things I suggest you get on your calendar when it comes to LinkedIn. First, I suggest scheduling a time to update your profile monthly around the same time you update your resume. Second, make some time to create posts and engage with other people a couple of times a week at least. The third thing is time to network, since most jobs are filled through referrals, this is key. The best time to build and warm up your network is when you don’t need them but remember networking doesn’t always mean going to events, it also means warming up connections you haven’t talked to in a while. Since all connections run in different circles, they tend to provide different information than what you or your inner circle have access to and you two already have previously established rapport so they are more likely to help you. Having these things on your calendar at regular intervals will help you remain accountable and also set you up for when you really need that new job. This tip was brought to you by Tristan of Layfield Resume Consulting. Check us out on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook @layfieldresume or connect with me Tristan Layfield on LinkedIn.

Narrator (04:50): Living Corporate is brought to you by The Leadership Range, a podcast within the Living Corporate network, hosted by globally certified and fortune 500 executive coach and leadership development expert Neil Edwards, The Leadership Range is focused on having real, raw, soulful and accountable conversations about inclusive leadership, allyship, professional development every week is a new episode with new learning and new actions to take on to grow inclusively. Make sure you check out the leadership range everywhere you listen to podcasts.

Amy (05:23): Welcome back to See It To Be It my guest today is Jamar Jones. Jamar is a specialist in video marketing branding. He’s also a marketing architect, speaker, motivator, creator, gamer, and comic book enthusiast. He is the author of the forthcoming book, change your circle, change your life and he has the dubious distinction of being the marketing brainiac behind everything that’s going to come to you from lead at any level this year and for the foreseeable future. Welcome Jamar to the show.

Jamar (05:54): Thank you so much for having mem what an intro. I mean, I have so many taglines I need to have a whole paragraph just for taglines.

Amy (06:02): You do, you have a lot of titles and you wear a lot of hats. I know at Relatable Marketing. Can you tell us a little bit about your role there?

Jamar (06:11): Yes, so I’m the the owner of relatable marketing and I’m just like an orchestrator, I just make sure that everybody is going in the right direction, lead them where they need to go and we get to be a part of some amazing projects. We have amazing clients that we work with, pretty much everyone we work with I absolutely adore and love. So that’s really a big principle for me and yes, we do a lot of things within sales and marketing and really diving deep into people’s brands and messaging and figuring out the best way for their message to be relatable.

Amy (06:52): How did you get started in this work?

Jamar (06:55): So I got started after I was laid off at my job. I did eight years of IT, I was an IT manager and after 45 people got laid off, I was like I just want to do something for myself. I really was always a self-motivated individual and I was like I could try to do something and and create something on my own. So then I started forever productions and that’s really our video production division within the company. So the video and photography stuff just took off as I had a bunch of services to start with and just hustled. I mean, it was night and day just hustling and making as many connections with people as possible and really the marketing side came from, the more I think about it really came from, because I did a lot of music back then. So I take kind of those principles of music and how you market as a musician into marketing for businesses and then really that’s kind of at the core and I really just had that realization probably a few months ago where I’m like, that’s kind of where a lot of this stuff is being born from and I just love to take people’s visions and and just accelerate them.

Amy (08:23): What I love about working with you is that we’ll have a conversation, I think we’re just talking and then I go look at the project plan that you’re creating and you’ve captured everything I’ve thought about and figured out, okay, here are the pieces that need to happen, here’s how all this is going to fit together and how we’re going to sequence this and it’s this amazing thing that you do. It’s not just marketing, but you translate the vision into what it’s going to be in way that even I can’t do for my own business and I think that’s incredible and it’s not surprising to me that you have an IT background because you’re able to see the big picture and then break it out into chunks.

Jamar (09:09): Exactly, you have to be able to do that and you some people kind of are on one side of the spectrum and I feel like I can take the big vision, break it into pieces and then figure out how to get there. So thank you, that’s such a good compliment.

Amy (09:25): Yeah, no, it’s always impressive to me, every time we talk I don’t think that we’ve covered anything that’s useful to you and then I look and see, oh, apparently it was useful to you because you’ve run with it and it’s amazing. I didn’t know what I was getting into when I hired a marketing team but I almost cried with excitement that I didn’t have to do everything anymore and it’s been amazing, it’s been amazing working with you and your team.

Jamar (09:49): Awesome, our pleasure.

Amy (09:51): So gosh, just digital marketing in general is so big, it’s changing all the time and I know with a tech background, it helps, but how do you stay up on. I mean, every week there’s some new platform, there’s some new something to learn to do, to pitch on how do you stay up with all of that?

Jamar (10:17): I’ve always been a bookworm at heart. So anything I really just become obsessive with figuring out kind of what the next big thing is. How do I constantly make myself better and constantly challenging myself. What things do I not know that I can apply directly into my business or even my personal life and staying on top of trends, I think for me is relatively easy. I think the hard part is keeping up because of social media and the internet, there’s so much that is out there and you kind of need to pick lanes and then just explore those. There’s a lot of stuff that’s even with digitals, NFTs or like selling illustrations and on a digital platform and where nobody else can sell it. So like your elite at any level, let’s say that’s your digital piece that you could then sell for X amount of money and I guess this space is growing but there’s like stuff like that, that I don’t really know a lot about and I’m interested in, I’m intrigued to figure out more about that. So it really is just constantly just really involving myself as much as possible into different trends and just getting a piece of it. A lot of people, they have tons and tons of opinions and comments about, about things that they’ve never experienced themselves, especially on like social media platforms, ah, we don’t need to be a part of that. Have you ever even spent an hour or two on Tik Tok? Have you even just tried just to understand it. So I think it’s just more about seeking to understand.

Amy (12:03): Yes and in answer to your rhetorical question, no, I have not spent even one minute on Tik Tok because I’m too old and I can’t do anything else. I’m done. Twitter, was it for me, as soon as I got comfortable with Twitter, I was like, this is it. I will never again learn another social media platform. So if Twitter goes away, I will just go off the grid and be a hermit in the woods, can’t do it.

Jamar (12:28): Well you’re really good at Twitter so you’ve had some really good success on Twitter.

Amy (12:33): I have a lot of fun on Twitter, meet a lot of good people there. So tell us a little bit Jamar, about who’s your target market for relatable marketing? What does your ideal client look like and I know it looks exactly like me, but you probably have a different avatar in mind, or maybe you do, tell us who needs you?

Jamar (12:53): Yes, and I think for us, with marketing and the way how we do it we can truly help so many different lanes and industries. But there are two that in particular that we love to work with and one is speakers, trainers, coaches just because we’ve been in this world for so long and speakers are just a joy to work with. They’re so appreciative, they really love the leaps and bounds that you can do for them and then you can actually really see some real growth because it’s usually one or two individuals and they’re able to take some chances. They’re able to move a lot faster than a mega corporation can and then the second one is that industries that have teams that they have like a couple people in sales, couple people in the marketing department and they work with a ton of different vendors that is really our lane because we can bring the strategic element to there from an outside point of view and really get people focused, get them organized and then also really drive a lot of content. So really become a content powerhouse for them so that way they’re like, hey, I wish we could do all this stuff, but I just don’t know how to. Well, we have the horsepower to be able to do that inhouse and then and I just love working with different people and different teams and then bringing them all together for a common goal.

Amy (14:22): Where do you go for support in this work? Because being an entrepreneur can be very isolating and even though you have a team of people that work for you, they’re not your peers necessarily, where do you go for support?

Jamar (14:37): Such a good question and it’s a little bit of piece into my upcoming book, that’s in there. But it’s great to have a good support circle and I would say that my support circle is not necessarily people that are hyper into marketing, but it’s hyper into growing business. So it’s great to be in different mastermind groups and things like that to really just kick off ideas but I have a really good core group of friends that are all either business owners or some place in the company where they have to make big decisions and I kick off a lot of ideas, bounce a lot of things off there. If I’m stressed I jus vent a little bit to them and then they give me really good constructive feedback in how I can adapt and learn from that and change what’s happening. So I have about, I would say at least about five individuals that I constantly just kick off ideas to.

Amy (15:39): It’s so important because we can go too far down a path, I do this all the time. I’ll get really excited about an idea and I start running with it, you’ve seen this a thousand time and then I realize oh no, nobody’s going to want this and I’ve wasted a couple of weeks or a lot of mental energy until I come back to it and then I figure out a way to kind of fit it into something that can work. But it is so important to have people around you that you can just say like, okay, tell me, does this make sense? Does it not?

Jamar (16:10): Yes, but there are different types too, me and Randy were just talking about this too. There are different types of people that you need in different stages of an idea. Sometimes when you have an initial idea, you just need a hype man, you know, you just need somebody to just hype it up and just give you a little bit of juice and say, yes, yes, we could do this, we could do that, you could do this and then when you actually get a little bit of structure on it, then you need somebody to bring you back down to earth and somebody that’s a little more hyper analytical about how it’s all going to happen, what things you should consider and so those two individuals, I feel like, if people are trying to find like who do I need in my circle, find at least those two spectrums to it, because that will give birth to an idea and then also, how do you actually implement it?

Amy (16:57): Yes. So let’s talk a little bit about your book. It is called Change Your Circle, Change Your Life. It’s about your network, which most people know is near and dear to my heart. My first book was about networking as well. What inspired you to write this? Why this book, why now?

Jamar (17:15): I should have wrote this years ago and I’m finally doing it, really thanks to you. You definitely gave me a little bit of the right person to talk to and and just to be able to actually bring it to life. I always had excuses, like I need to do this, I need to do that and writing a book is so daunting, you just have this gigantic goal, it’s like winning a championship and it’s like, how do I get there? So yes, I have to thank you a lot for even all the books that you’ve published and things that you’ve done. I mean, that’s inspirational for me and I’m like I work all these speakers, everybody’s got books, I need a book. So this this idea is something that I’ve had for a while now. So the concept was relatively easy for me to come up with because really it’s directly affected my life where my direct circle was the reason why I did anything and once I started to change my circle it ultimately changed my life and the way I operate, the way I think, how I go about my day, what my goals are and the different people that you’re around can really alter your reality of exactly what you need to be going for, how do I get there? And so the Change Your Circle, Change Your Life is really a book that once you read it and take the action steps in it, I truly believe that you will be able to change your life no matter what your circumstances. It’s something that I know there’s extremes of circumstances that are out there, so I can’t think of the millions and millions of variables that are out there, but I know that the general consensus that they would actually be able to change their life.

Amy (19:07): Yes, I agree. I think even being around people who can see things that are possible, that you’ve never considered is a game changer and to me that’s the biggest one because I didn’t grow up in a place of possibilities. I didn’t grow up in the dream big crowd and getting around the dream big crowd, huge, huge perspective shift for me.

Jamar (19:36): Yes. I mean, the people that are just on a different level than you, and that’s why there’s that that saying that if you’re the smartest person in the room, you need to get out, you need to be pretty much the dumbest person in the room and soaking up all that knowledge from others because when somebody else experienced something that you didn’t even think was possible, but they’re on this level and you’re down here it just opens your mind. Look at the way that they speak, their candor, how they approach problems and what is a problem to them. Something for me, it could be an astronomical problem for them it’s like yes that’s something I’ll take care of it later, we’ve got bigger things to work on and it’s just such a different mindset and so the book itself is 50% mindset and 50% action because you need both to be able to change your life.

Amy (20:28): Oh, that is so true and all the action in the world, won’t get you there if your mindset isn’t there, because you’ll undermine yourself, you’ll take a step and then you’ll take two steps backward and you’ll end up right where you are if you don’t change your mindset first. So I think that’s brilliant. So I’m curious, you are in Minneapolis, right?

Jamar (20:56): Milwaukee.

Amy (20:57): Milwaukee, Wisconsin. I think I do this every time, there are people who don’t know the difference between Indiana, Illinois and Ohio. I don’t know the difference between Wisconsin and Minnesota.

Jamar (21:12): It’s pretty much a snow tundra. People would have slapped the both of them together.

Amy (21:19): What’s it been like up there this past year during COVID with all the civil unrest and all of the clash between the black lives matter protests in the summer, and then this weird insurrection, conspiracy theory thing happening in the fall, what’s going on where you are? Are there warring factions, are there traveling nomads, what’s happening up there?

Jamar (21:50): They’re giant robots in the streets. I mean, I would say that the conversations, as far as with, like you say the civil unrest as far as having the diversity within the workplace, but also the racial issues that are out there. I feel like that conversation is still being had at least where I’m at. I see a lot more things. I’m invited to different conversations in groups to just provide my own perspective on things. So I like that at least people are more aware of it than ever, as far as right now. We just have to make sure it doesn’t lose steam of what’s happening. and then continue the conversation because it’s not going to change overnight. People they want change, they want it now, we want the instant gratification and it’s just doesn’t happen that way. We need to truly conversation about it and then what kind of actions can we take off of each conversation and really get more people involved and really make this make some leaps and bounds? Yeah, I would say that it’s probably, as far as the political stuff that’s going on, it just depends on where you live and what your views are of what’s happening up here. I know for me, I’m primarily in like a suburbian community but I’m connected with a lot of people within the city of inner city and so I got both sides kind of the spectrum and I get to hear both of them, which kind of makes it, I have a unique perspective on everything and I just know that you’ve got to continue conversation and I don’t have all the answers, I don’t know all the solutions that will get us from this point to a better point. But I do know that if we can continue to talk about it, that’s what’s going to make sure that we make the right decision.

Amy (23:52): Yes, it’s interesting. Because you don’t think about the Midwest of being a hotbed of these kinds of conversations, but then of course Minneapolis was kind of the epicenter last year of kind of the reprisal of the black lives matter movement and I have friends in different places. I had friends in Portland and Portland was like super crazy last summer. I mean, I have a friend in Portland who she won’t leave her house, she has somebody who delivers things to her. She’s afraid to even leave her house because of some of the stuff that goes on in the neighborhoods around her. I know things in Texas have been crazy, it’s just interesting to me to hear how people are experiencing this in different parts of the country and particularly in different Midwestern States where in the Midwest, we don’t talk about stuff like this. We don’t talk about race or at least white people in the Midwest don’t talk about race. I should be very clear and I just think it’s fascinating that these conversations are happening in different places and in different communities than they used to and so the nature of my question was more around the geographical experience of being.

Jamar (25:08): I know there has been some issues that have come up within Wisconsin, for sure. There has been the one that made national news in Kenosha as far as in whole cities rioted over a shooting and the thing is I think that any of these issues that are happening, that’s why I say conversation is so important because of course, depending on what kind of media you listen to, what kind of narrative that you’re being fed, that’s why people need to talk about it. I just feel like people get this, they hear one thing and then they just run with it, and they jam it right through the ground and it’s like wait, there’s a lot of, that’s just one person’s side of the story, let’s listen to everybody and actually have a general consensus of what is the, as a jury of like, hey, how is this happening? What are all the facts so that we can talk about it and I think people just take this thing and then they go out and riot and it’s like, I get it, we’re pissed off, we want some action. We want some stuff to happen, but honestly, burning your own communities is not the answer. As a business owner, I would be really upset if somebody came down and burnt out what I built over something else. I get the message, but at the same time, it’s like now you’re affecting my world of the little thing that I can hold on to to say that’s mine and so that’s why I’m like, let’s just talk about it and then let’s create some action of how we actually can take the steps forward to make a difference.

Amy (26:44): I’m curious, how is this showing up in the marketing space right now? Because you do a lot of marketing with smaller companies but there’s so much in the national discourse, there’s so much in the local community conversations around racial justice right now. How is this showing up in the work that you’re doing and the marketing that you’re doing for small companies?

Jamar (27:11): Some and I wouldn’t say it’s a majority of when people come to us. But the couple of cases that we’ve had people want to figure out how to speak to certain demographics and the interesting thing about us is that we have a very diverse team. So it’s really good that we can speak from all different types of backgrounds and cultures to be able to give the right feedback when it comes to that and I would say that it’s probably gonna happen more and more as people are noticing this, because they’re really being particular about how they want to speak to different demographic, different markets and where people are at and our whole thing is to make it that it’s relatable and that’s something that you have to make that messaging something that really resonates with somebody so that way you’re speaking to them, not at them.

Amy (28:08): Yes and it’s hard. So you mentioned Randy earlier, Randy is one of the people on your team, right?

Jamar (28:16): Yes, Randy is a good friend of mine.

Amy (28:18): Randy helped me with some slides, some PowerPoint slides and we had a very long conversation about the stock photos in the presentation. I don’t know if you relate any of this to you, but we got like three slides in. I said, Randy, we have to stop, there are too many white people in my slides and he kind of looked at me funny and I said, I know you’re limited by this stock photo site and this stock photo site, but I’m going to give you links to others because this really has to include everyone. Everybody needs to see themselves in this quickly, or I’m going to lose them because of the specific topic and the audiences that I speak to, and just the kind of person I want to be. I don’t want people to think that I’m only talking to people that look like me and I especially don’t want the people that look like me to think that I’m only talking to them because that’s when people tune me out is when they think that I’m targeting them, even when I am, don’t tell them I said that. But it was such a funny conversation because we’d get to another side and be like, nope, all those hands are white, change them. Nope, that’s all dudes can’t have dudes and I think it was frustrating him. So I’m sure you heard about that, but it’s important not just in our marketing, but I mean, it’s part of a brand statement, but it’s also part of who’s welcomed here and who’s not.

Jamar (29:57): Yes, visually we talk about presentation a lot. As far as for what’s your hourly putting out there, that’s people’s perception. So you need to start changing the way you present things and so I like that you looked at that presentation and say like, hey, we need to change up some of this stuff. The reason why it’s easy to go, maybe on the route that he started to go is because that’s just common, if you look at a lot of the stock photos or different platforms or systems that are out there, the common things is white posing and then primarily male as far as a lot of those things, and I know it’s slowly starting to change, but there’s a gigantic library of that stuff and it’s starting to change. So you have to kind of dig around to find the good stuff, to find all the diversity and all the other things. So it’s good because you got to make sure that what you’re presenting out is what you believe in and that’s really how you’re communicating. Everybody, I know people don’t say like, oh, don’t judge, here’s the truth. The truth is that people do always have for that split second, it’s just in our nature to just judge for a second, because we have to, our mind has to put you somewhere to understand and articulate what’s happening. But then through conversation through all that stuff, that’s how you can change the perception, that’s how you can change whatever that box is. But initially when you see somebody on the street, it’s like, your brain just automatically tries to figure it out and so when people see your presentation they want to know if they’re seeing you for the first time, they’re already starting to put you in some kind of little box when it’s like, don’t box me in, don’t do that. But it’s like they’re already starting to, and then you want that presentation to kind of speak for itself of like, hey, this is all types of walks of life in here. This is all type of imagery, things that you can relate to. I’m speaking to everybody, not just a certain type of person.

Amy (32:11): Yes, the stock photo thing is so frustrating and I’ve found that I can’t even, there are certain stock photo sites I use, they’re paid sites but when I search for images, I can’t do that when my kids are around, because if I search like women business suit coffee, it’s a woman in stilettos and a thong leaning a desk seductively with a coffee cup and I’m like, come on.

Jamar (32:43): That’s not what you searched.

Amy (32:46): Right, putting woman in the search bar is not an invitation to pull up a screen of soft core porn but that’s how the search engines work in those tools and I don’t know who uses those photos, but it ain’t me. But similarly, a lot of times, if you try to sort or filter on race or ethnicity or ability you’re very limited or the…

Jamar (33:14): Small selection.

Amy (33:15): Yes, very limited and the images are often very stereotypical, they portray exactly the wrong image of what you’re trying to convey and so I’ve been really fortunate that I’m in circles where people will share links to stock photos, by, for and of people of color, black people, hispanic people, trans people, there’s a whole stock photo site of trans people and gender non-conforming folks, which is awesome. They have those high quality photos, but man, you have to dig for that stuff sometimes.

Jamar (33:51): Yes. Yes. I mean, and that’s just through change, people can sometimes forget just where we came from and it takes time to change, it’s not going to happen overnight. Like I said, and it’s something that over time we will see kind of a new normal for that.

Amy (34:13): Yes, I think it’s incumbent upon all of us to reset norms and to move that conversation in any way that we can.

Jamar (34:19): Yes, for sure.

Amy (34:21): So Jamar, if someone is looking for a brilliant, brilliant marketing strategist, and I’m going to just say with price points that are friendly for people who are just starting out in their businesses because the whole conversation that you and I had and I don’t want to make this whole commercial about relatable marketing except I kind of do because you guys are great. But you have the price points that kind of start low and then it’s kind of a grow with me pricing model. So as I grow, we’ve had this conversation, the more I grow, the better I do, the better you guys are going to do.

Jamar (35:03): That’s the goal.

Amy (35:05): So if someone is looking for genius marketing at reasonable rates that scales, how can they reach you?

Jamar (35:14): The best way to reach me directly right now would be LinkedIn. So you can search Jamar Jones on there, but of course you can go to relatablemarketplace.com and then we have our site there. We are currently working on some new, exciting things, some rebranding around that we’re keeping the relatable marketing, but it’s going to be a division of kind of something else that will be bigger. Because there’s a lot of ideas, I have a lot of stuff going on and I need to just house all this in one spot and make sure that the imagery, the presentation, everything. So there’s going to be a new website that we’re going to be releasing soon and so one that once that releases, I don’t know when this will be published but that’ll be forevermedia.com. So that will be where everything will be located and then from there, it’ll be a kind of a hub for everything that we’re about. So you’ll be able to check out relatable marketing, a ton of video content. We have our speaker agency coming up soon. So there are a lot of things we’re getting into.

Amy (36:14): That is incredible, the growth just in the few months that I’ve been with you guys is just incredible, the way you’re expanding and doing it thoughtfully and making sure that there’s kind of a community of people moving with you, I think it’s phenomenal.

Jamar (36:32): So important to me to bring people along with and just make sure everybody sees the vision, sees what we’re trying to do and so we’re just doing this one last rebrand, and then we’ll have these different divisions that will be there to really help and cater to all the things that we’re doing with people. So it could be one cohesive unit to really supercharge people’s marketing, sales and overall to reach their goals.

Amy (36:58): Fantastic. Thank you, Jamar so much for your time today. I always love talking to you and today we got to talk about you instead of all of my vision. So I’m excited about that.

Jamar (37:10): That’s right, flip the script.

Amy (37:14): Thank you so much.

Jamar (37:15): Yes, thank you.

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Amy (38:03): Okay. How great is Jamar? Every time he talks, I take copious notes and it seems like every time I talk, he must take copious notes too, because he always knows exactly what I need to be thinking next. I love working with him and I’m so excited that I finally got to interview him for this show. If you enjoyed this episode even half as much as I did, don’t forget to subscribe to Living Corporate and share us with your friends and colleagues. You can also meet your favorite guests and join the conversation on our Slack channel at c2bchat.com. That’s the letter C the number two, the letter B chat.com and hey, you can really help us out by leaving us a six star review wherever you get your podcasts. If you’re new to the show and you’re saying, but there’s only five stars, give us all those stars, but then go the next step by leaving a couple sentences in your own words, telling us what you liked about the show or the episode. Don’t forget to visit living-corporate.com to learn more about our podcasts, videos, web shows, and more. See It To Be IT is brought to you in part by Lead At Any Level, a certified woman and LGBT owned business dedicated to helping organizations build inclusive cultures and diverse leadership pipelines. Lead At Any Level, leaders can be anywhere and should be everywhere. Learn more at leadatanylevel.com. That’s it for this episode of See It To Be It, this is Amy C. Waninger and I’ll see you next week.

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