See It to Be It : Paralympic Athlete From Singapore (w/ Hitesh Ramchandani)

Amy C. Waninger chats with Hitesh Ramchandani, a world-famous motivational speaker and member of Singapore’s Paralympic football team, on this installment of See It to Be It. Hitesh is on a mission to inspire 50 million people to be ‘better than normal’ – check out the links in the show notes to connect with him and learn more about his inspiring goal!

Connect with Hitesh on LinkedIn.

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Hitesh also has a YouTube channel – check it out!


Zach (00:10):  Whats up, y’all? Its Zach with Living Corporate and you’re listening to See It to Be It. Now, Im thankful for See It to Be It, because again, it represents the fact that Living Corporate is a network. We have various types of content going on, not only on The Living Corporate podcast, our flagship podcast, where we have Real Talk Tuesdays, the Tap In with Tristan on Thursdays and See It to Be It with Amy C. Waninger on Saturdays, but we also have The Leadership Range hosted by Neil Edwards, that comes out every Monday. And then we also have The Group Chat that comes out every other Saturday, hosted by Nubianna Aben, and we have The Access Point, which is hosted by Tristan Layfield, Mike Yates, Brandon Gordon, and Tiffany Tate hosted every single Tuesday. And we have a new show coming out that Im not even going to talk about yet, but its coming. Its coming. Im just happy and Im thankful that were here and Im thankful to Amy. Amy, whats going on? How are you doing?

Amy (01:08): How are you? I’m excited because Im actually going to be on one of the webinars in February.

Zach (01:15): That’s right. Youre going to be on one of the web shows, the one about… 

Amy (01:18): Yes. So, let’s plug that real quick.

Zach (01:20): Yes. Youre going to be on When I Found Out that I’m An Amy Cooper.

Amy (01:25): Yes. That’s what Im going to be on.

Zach (01:31): Exploring the role of white women in upholding and reinforcing white supremacy and how they can actively dismantle it instead, in corporate contexts.

Amy (01:41): And I’m excited about it because its going to be the first time Im sharing the spotlight with Karen Fleshman, who is a friend of mine and somebody that Ive admired for a long time. But weve never actually worked together. So this is going to be like the start of the first thing that we actually do together.

Zach (01:59): I love Karen because when I talked to her, I can tell she has so much intentionality and like saying and doing the right things. She doesn’t come across with this smug arrogance that like, Oh, Im an ally. Oh, Im anti-racist. Thats just not her vibe. She comes across with a very, just intentional aura of wanting to do whats right. Seeking to dismantle what she can and speaking truth to power where she can. I find that very refreshing.

Amy (02:29): Yes and she puts her body on the line for it. 

Zach (02:32): Yes. 

Amy (02:32): I mean, she’s been arrested a few times protesting white supremacy. Its really incredible to watch. And I just, I feel honored, that I can call her a friend.

Zach (02:44): I mean, she’s great. Now look, this is not my show, Amy. I come on here to put my face out there so people know that this isnt colonization, because thats really something you wanted me to do. So, Im here really a as a favor to you, out of love for you. But this is not my show. This is your show. So, lets talk about this for people who maybe this might be the first time that theyve heard of See It to Be It, and maybe their first-time tuning in. What is See It to Be It?

Amy (03:11): Yes, so I want to be clear. It’s not my show either. This show is all about the guests and its all about their career journeys and how they got to be in these jobs that some of us have maybe never even heard of before, or dont even know exist. And the idea here, the idea that I had when you came to me and you said, we want some more content from you, Amy. And I was like, I dont know what to do. But I was thinking, I grew up in a place where, when people went to college, they didnt come back. Right? I grew up in very rural Midwest, very white, very blue collar. And if people got to college, we never saw them again. And so, I didnt know a lot of the jobs that were out there and I went to college, not having any clue and you know, my first degree didnt get me anywhere.

(03:52): So, I went back for a second one and oddly enough, and I don’t know if you know this Zach, but I married somebody that I went to high school with, not my first marriage. My second marriage was my high school sweetheart. And hes the youngest of four. We all five graduated from the same high school. We all five have two bachelors degrees each, because we went to college, not knowing what to do with college. So, Im just kind of channelling that experience and that being sheltered from the world of work, from being sheltered from careers and professional environments and thinking about how do young people who maybe dont have people in their family whove been to college, or maybe their neighbors havent been to college or the folks around them, right?

(04:39): Where do we go if we don’t know these things exist? How do we possibly aspire to get those jobs or to break into those sectors of the economy? And so, what I really want to highlight in this show is the stories of the people who are doing the work and how they got into it. Because sometimes its a straight path and sometimes it’s, what? I woke up one day, I didnt have a job, but somebody said, Hey, come work with me. And thats how I got in this line of work. And I think those stories are so important for all of us to hear, but especially for young people who are trying to figure out, look, Ive got these five skills and this is my passion and I dont know what to go do with it.

Zach (05:15): You missed the part, the fact that all the professionals you highlight are black and brown, black and disabled, black and brown and female, black and brown and trans or queer, right? Talk about that.

Amy (05:27): Yes. So yes, this, well, obviously since I’m on your platform, and I know that Living Corporate highlights the experiences of black and brown folks in corporate America or in the workplace. I wanted to make sure that this show was in that same spirit. And so, I go all over and I talk to people in all different parts of the economy, but yes, they’re all black or brown and they’re all in some way, contributing to this narrative, that role models can look a lot of different ways. They can show up a lot of different ways. And my guest today actually is not just brown, but brown and disabled. Hitesh lives in Singapore. Now he spends his time between Singapore and India, but when he was born, he had some medical complications and he actually has cerebral palsy.

(06:16): And so, the work that he’s doing is not just in uplifting people in his community, but specifically uplifting people all over the world who share that particular medical condition and helping them see themselves as what they can be, but also helping their family see the potential in these folks and what they can accomplish. Because I think a lot of times, even parents will say wed had to adjust our expectations of what our child can accomplish. And what I loved about Hiteshs story was his parents did not adjust their expectations of what he was going to accomplish. And hes out here, he is changing the world for people

Zach (06:59): That is incredible. Well, I can’t wait to hear the conversation. Im excited for our audience to learn about this persons journey. Before we do that, though, lets go ahead and tap in with Tristan.

Tristan (07:18): What’s going on you all? Its Tristin of Layfield Resume Consulting, and Ive teamed up with Living Corporate to bring you all a weekly career tip. Today, we’re going to dive into a goal setting method that will help you achieve your goals through actionable steps. There are many goal setting methods out there, and you really have to find the one that works for you. One that I use and actually uncovered from someone I follow on Twitter is called Boulder Rock Sand. It takes smart goals to a whole another level. Boulders are your overarching high-level goals for statements. So, for example, a bolder statement would be, I want to become a Project Manager in 2019. Rocks are your smart goals that once you achieve them, accomplish your boulder. For those who dont know, smart goals are goals that are specific, measurable, achievable, relevant and time-bound. An example of a rock statement is, I will take on two projects and complete my PMP certification by December 31st, 2019”.

(08:12): Typically, you want to have three to five rock statements for each boulder you set. It is imperative that these be as specific as possible and actually achievable. So, if you set a goal of having your PMP certification by February of 2019, and it’s December of 2018, you will more than likely fail because of the need to take the course and gather a certain amount of project hours, not to mention actually taking in passing the test. Now, the sand statements are the specific actions you will take in order to achieve your rock savings. So, for example, I will one, have a discussion with my boss about projects I can join. Two, utilize my in-office connections to identify projects in need of assistance. And three, identify and register for a PMP certification course. You can then put these actions into a card on a Trello board where you have four columns; Not Started’, ‘In Progress’, ‘Blockedand Completed’.

(09:04): Each card has a goal deadline date and begins in the ‘Not Startedcolumn. Once you begin working on it, you move it to the In Progresscolumn. Now the Blockedsection is for when life happens and sort of stops your progress on that goal. So, if your job requires you to travel for a lengthy unexpected period of time, the card has moved to Blockeduntil you are back and able to return to working on that task. Setting up goals in a Trello board in this fashion allows you to visually see your progress, which provides motivation to keep going and achieve your goals. This tip was brought to you by Layfield Resume Consulting. Check us out on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook at Layfield Resume or connect with me, Tristan Layfield on LinkedIn. Thanks for joining me. Ill be talking to you soon.

Amy (09:58): Hitesh, welcome to See it To Be It. Im so glad to have you here.

Hitesh (10:00): Yes, thank you. Thank you for inviting me to the show.

Amy (10:08): So, you are right now in Singapore, and I understand that you split your time between Singapore and India, right?

Hitesh (10:15): Correct. Thats absolutely right.

Amy (10:20): Tell me a little bit about your journey because you started out with not great odds. I watched your story of the test video, and when you were born, they didn’t give you very good odds of survival, even the first 24 hours. Can you tell us a little bit about how you came to be here with us and doing the amazing work youre doing?

Hitesh (10:43): So, let me give you a quick introduction about myself. So, I’m a motivational speaker. Whats so special about me is that Im born with a disability called Cerebral Palsy. Now, many of you may be wondering what is Cerebral Palsy or how did I get it? Cerebral Palsy is a neurological disorder. It can affect you physically or mentally, but Im not mentally affected only the physical. The walking and the speech and the coordination. But, how did I get it? When my mother was giving birth to me, I was a breech baby. I was upside down in my mothers tummy and the doctors had to do a C-Section, which means cut the stomach and take the baby out. But they didnt follow the orders, they did the normal delivery. So, usually when a babys born, the head comes out first. For me, I was born there and my leg came out first and my head got stuck in my mothers womb for 90 seconds. So, during birth, I lost oxygen for 90 seconds, which led to a brain damage. Now, when people meet me for the first time, they always ask, Bro, are you drunk?I say No. Im all good, but I think my doctor was drunk. And the day I was born, the doctor told my parents Im going to die within 24 hours, 28 years have gone by. Im alive, but I think the doctor died.

Amy (12:57): Wow. So, just having gone through three pregnancies and deliveries and two of those being C-sections, your story brings up a lot for me and what your mother must’ve been going through and what that mustve been like for your family. But Im so glad that your doctor was, Im sorry that your doctor was wrong in the first place, but Im glad that they were wrong about your chances of survival, because you are out here just making a huge difference in the world.

Hitesh (13:26): Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much.

Amy (13:30): So how did you, what started first? Were you the athlete first or the inspirational speaker first? 

Hitesh (13:40): It happened coincidentally, in the similar period of my life. So, before I go to my success, let me go to my childhood because thats where the struggle was. Now, in my childhood, I couldnt walk. I couldnt talk. I was told that I may have to use a wheelchair my entire life, but I was blessed to be born in a good family. My parents lived and read the news. They knew they werent scared to raise such a child [inaudible]. They brought me up like a normal kid with a positive mindset. They told me, look, son, you can do everything like everyone else. Youre no different. Dont never look down at yourself. So, I was brought up with the grit mindset and the education system suggested that I should go to a special school, but my parents wanted me to live a normal life and they fought the system and made sure I went to a normal school. Now when I went to a normal school at the age of six.

(15:00): I would get bullied [inaudible] and obviously academic wise, I was slower due to my physical limitation. As I grew older, I became more aware and conscious about my disability. And thats when my confidence broke, because people started judging me. Society still tells me and you know, when youre a teenager, all the girls and guys get attracted to each other. But, unfortunately in my case, all the girls would run away from me. But too bad the girls did not know that one day Ill be a global speaker playing for the Paralympic football team, working with celebrities around the world. Thats why I tell all the ladies please think twice before you reject a guy. We dont know, he may become the next Brad Pitt right? 

Amy (16:07): That’s right.

Hitesh (16:09): That’s the struggle part. Now, coming to your question, so at the age of twenty years, I would play football. But then when I played with the normal guys, I didnt get much play time, because my brother Ricky, he was the captain of the team and he would only let me play for 10 minutes in a 90 minutes game. So, Im like, Whats wrong with you? Am I that bad?He said, No, youre not bad. Im just really scared youll get injured. Because the guys down here they play as though we are playing in a World Cup tournament. So, Im just really scared theyll injure you and all that.And he randomly said, Why dont you try to play for the Paralympic football team?And I was like, What? Do they have a Paralympic football team?He said, If they have a normal team, theyll have a Paralympic football team, right?And he didnt know anything. He was just making his usual dialogue just to cheer me up. But that day, I ran home and I googled and I found a Paralympic football team. I went for the trials, I got selected and I never went to his team.

Amy (17:46): That’s amazing. So, the people that you with on the team, are they?… So, I dont know a whole lot about how the Paralympics works. Are you grouped by your abilities? Or is it sort of a cross section of people with varying abilities and different disabilities?

Hitesh (18:05): So, in the Paralympic football team, [inaudible] there are two types of football. Number one is blind football, then number two is Cerebral Palsy in football. So in the Cerebral Palsy football, all the guys are affected. They all have Cerebral Palsy. 

Amy (18:31): Okay. And so, the other teams that you play, are you matched according to? So, you’re playing other teams whose players have Cerebral Palsy? Or are you playing teams with other disabilities? Like, would you play a wheelchair team, for example?

Hitesh (18:46): No, we cant play a wheelchair because that will be… If its basketball? Yes. But football, you need to kick, so wheelchair? No. But well be playing the Cerebral Palsy football team.

Amy (19:03): Okay.

Hitesh (19:03): But thats in the main tournament. In the friendly games, we play normal boys, even played the female football team. We practice with them. So, thats all in the practice and friendly matches, but in the tournament and clubs, we are competing in the Cerebral Palsy football league.

Amy (19:30): It’s so wonderful to me that opportunities exist for athletes, beyond disabilities that you can see and that others can see whats possible for you physically. Because I think a lot of times, society and people who are ill informed or misinformed, will put limitations or say, how would that be possible? And so, I would imagine that a lot of your work as a Paralympian then, you said that you sort of became a speaker and a Paralympian at the same time, I would imagine a lot of your work as a Paralympian is educating the public on whats possible for people with Cerebral Palsy and what the mission of the Paralympics is. Is that correct? 

Hitesh (20:19): So, the journey of the Paralympic, obviously no more part of the team that was one part of my life, but the bigger mission was to bring awareness to not judge people with disability. They should be given equal opportunities, equal rights. And I mean, I have to tell you some of my friends in the Paralympic football, they play even better than my normal friends. So, if they were not given this opportunity, they wouldn’t have showcased their talent. Right?

Amy (21:04): That’s a great point because its not that its a talent on top of a disability, right? Its a talent alongside a disability, which is a little bit different.

Hitesh (21:23): So, I think the talent is more important. The problem with the world right now is we are too judgmental. We see what’s on the front end, but I think we can do that. Because Im sure everyone has a backstory.

Amy (21:41): And speaking of backstories, you have a book entitled Better than Normal. Can you tell us what inspired that book and what you hope to do with it?

Hitesh (21:51): So, let me tell you what inspired me to write Better than Normal. When I was 12 years old, I would get bullied at school and one day I came home to my dad. I shouted Dad! Why am I not normal? And how can I be normal?Because I was frustrated, I was getting bullied. So, my dad was shocked. He didnt know how to react to a 12-year-old kid. He said, Look, son, maybe in your life youll never be normal. This is the reality. Theres no cure for Cerebral Palsy, so you may never be normal right? But, if you promise to work hard and never give up in lifehe said, I promise you, forget normal. One day you will be better than normal”.

Amy (23:00): Oh, I love that. Oh, your dad seems like an amazing person.

Hitesh (23:06): Oh, he’s awesome. Hes the rags to riches story. Hes another keynote himself. But after 10 years, I wrote a book called Better than Normal.

Amy (23:21): That is wonderful. And you’ve sold copies of that book worldwide. And you speak around the globe as well. Correct?

Hitesh (23:28): Correct.

Amy (23:29): And so, what kind of organizations do you find yourself? If you could pick the perfect audience for Better than Normal, what would that audience look like? Whos in the audience? Whos bringing you in? Whats that stage look like for you?

Hitesh (23:43): So I’ll break it down because Ive done more than 200 keynotes around the world, right? So, these are my three main topics. Number one, I do on self-leadership. Then all the big CEOs and directors and you know, HR people. Because I believe in life, before you become a leader, you need to be a good self-leader. If you cant take care of yourself, how are you going to take care of your team and your organization? And so, this is normally for the leaders. The second topic which I do, is sales motivation. So, I do sales motivation more for like the insurance companies, the banks, the pharma companies. Why? Because all these industries, they need a lot of sales. They got a lot of agents and when they go out, they lead, they get rejected every time. So, they lose hope. And thats where I come in, I talk about overcoming failure, overcoming adversity, how to strive beyond your comfort zone, so they can relate to that. And the third topic I do, my favorite topic, which I get invited a lot from companies like [inaudible] Microsoft [inaudible], is diversity and inclusion. Because all these big organizations, they want to build a diverse and inclusive culture, so more people are given an equal opportunity to rise and become better than normal.

Amy (25:46): That is fantastic. And so, when you talk about diversity and inclusion, are you speaking?… So, the audience for the show is black and brown professionals in corporate America and then there’s this intersection of, so for you, you would be considered brown in the U.S. So, then youve got this international component, which adds a whole lot of complexity to the diversity and inclusion conversation. But I would imagine that people with disabilities probably faced, you know, if you had to separate out all the buckets that you belong to, I would think that disability would be probably one of the primary places where people are excluded from the workforce for just a variety of reasons. And so, then the word intersectionality comes in because youre all of these things at once. What advice do you have for people who are in the workforce right now, who maybe look around and say, you know what? We dont see anybody like Hitesh in our workforce. We dont have folks here. Weve not made space for folks with disabilities or weve not made space for folks with this international lens. What advice do you have for them on how to create that seat at their table?

Hitesh (27:07): So, I got two scenarios. Scenario number one, if there are less people with disabilities [inaudible] then its a very good thing. Because we dont want more people who are sick and disabled, right? Health comes first. But if youre in a city where there are people with disability and they are not given an equal opportunity, then I really should make space for them. Because the big organizations dont give them that opportunity then who will? And everyone looks up to organizations, so if they do it, other people will respect those guys. And the point is, I work with many disabled people. Sometimes I get shocked because they are smarter and more talented than me and many other people out there. Its just they are not given the platform to showcase their hidden talents. So, when a guy with a disability comes for an interview, number one, treat him like everyone else. Dont sympathise with him, because Im sure he doesnt want to sympathised with. Now I cant speak for everyone with a disability, but what you can do is empathize. Empathize and [inaudible] Fight for the job. See if he’s a good fit. If yes? Then give him that opportunity. He may do a better job. And in fact, if he or she, if they are in your organization and they do a good job, these guys are not going to be a liability. They will be an asset, because other employees will become motivated and inspired.

Amy (29:27): Absolutely. And I think this goes back to the idea of the Paralympics. It’s not people who are talented on top of a disability. Theyre talented alongside having disability. And if we can harness that talent, that disability becomes irrelevant. Because its not the persons body that makes them disabled, its all of the things that society puts in their way.

Hitesh (29:50): Yes. I mean, do you know whos the greatest mind in the world?

Amy (29:58): Right now? 

Hitesh (30:00): No, in the entire world, who has been one of the greatest minds?

Amy (30:08): My mind goes to Stephen Hawking immediately.

Hitesh (30:10): Alright. And he couldnt even move a finger, but he was controlling the entire universe just by using the power of the mind.

Amy (30:24): Yes and I think a lot of times we overlook, right? We can’t see past these superficial things. And so, we overlook the genius that someone has within them, or that someones able to offer, because of our own limited perspectives or limited point of view. And so, another way I want to ask this question, Hitesh, is there are probably some folks listening right now who have been told in their lives that they cant do what they want to do. That they dont have the ability. That they are limited because of the color of their skin, because of their upbringing, because of the limitations of their bodies, or the limitations of their minds, or the limitations of their family circumstances. What do you say to them about whats possible for them?

Hitesh (31:15): So, I got one message. You can be black, white, Indian, Chinese, girl, man, woman, lesbian, gay, disabled, normal, doesnt matter. Everyone in this entire universe will face problem regardless of whether were rich or poor. Everyone has different problems. Nobodys perfect. But when you face that problem or the obstacle, you have two options. Number one, you can give up. Number two, you can get up. Whatever option you choose will create your upcoming destiny. The problem with many is they choose to give up. Because then its easy, but its bad for the long run.

Amy (32:19): Yes, we only get one shot at this. And if we don’t take our shot, its not going to be there waiting for us, right?

Hitesh (32:28): Yes, totally. So, always get up, because the more you get up, the more opportunities youre going to get. But if you give up and youre only going to be focused on the problem and not the opportunities.

Amy (32:48): So, that brings me to my next question, because this is not it for you, right? So, you are not only an Olympic athlete, Paralympic athlete, and not only a world-class speaker and not only an internationally acclaimed author, you’re also an entrepreneur and youre starting a new business soon, correct?

Hitesh (33:07): Yes. So, this isnt my idea it was my dads idea, because majority on my regular and normal work I do is in India. And you know, India is 1.2 billion people. Its a huge country. And he saw my movement growing there. I started to get invited to different Bollywood events, and all that. So, my dad said, Look, you have drawn from your life. What if we could help more people like you? Wouldnt that be great?And hes a businessman. His dream is to leave a legacy before he passes on. So, he says I got a good idea. Im going to retire anyways, so lets do one thing, since we have transformed your life using the right therapy and all that. Im going to help you build a Better than Normal Clinic in India. So, me and my dad are building a Better than Normal Clinic in India. Its a four-story building. The first floor is Physiotherapy. The second floor is Hydrotherapy. In the city Im building in they dont have hydro and aqua therapy. The third floor is Speech Therapy, dental and all of that. And the fourth floor will be guest rooms, for people coming from abroad or other cities.

Amy (34:58): That is fantastic. So, you’ve got physical therapy on the first floor, hydrotherapy on the second floor, speech therapy on the third floor, and then theres a live-in component to this as well. 

Hitesh (35:08): Yes. Yes. 

Amy (35:10): That’s amazing. And you told me before we started recording, why you picked India for this endeavour.

Hitesh (35:18): Because Singapore is 5 million people. So, whenever Im in Singapore, I tell people I have a new inspire, 15 million people. They give me the crazy look like Whats he talking about? We only have 5 million people. What is he going to inspire us?When I went to India, my second home, I told them, Im going to inspire 15 million people. They give me a crazier look. They said, Whats wrong with you? Why 15 million? Why not 500 million?” 

Amy (36:10): That is great. It’s all a matter of scale, right?

Hitesh (36:13): Yes. So, I didnt change my goal, but I changed the location. 

Amy (36:22): I love that. So, you can inspire every person in Singapore and you’d only be at 10% of your goal, or you can just stand on the street in India and the people walking by and youd be done in a couple of months, right?

Hitesh (36:37): The thing is, Singapore it’s already good. Theres not much adversity. So, for the work that Im doing, India is a better place, because theres a lot of different adversities there. Theres a lot of poverty there. So, when you go there, you can make a big impact by your story. Many people, theyre betting that therell be a Bollywood movie under my name. 

Amy (37:12): That would be wonderful.

Hitesh (37:12): Theyre already saying in the next 10 years.

Amy (37:17): So who will you pick to play you in the Bollywood movie of your life?

Hitesh (37:23): That’s a good question. So, we will have to see.

Amy (37:30): Okay. You keep it tight lipped on that one. I understand.

Hitesh (37:33): I might play my own character. 

Amy (37:36): That’d be great.

Hitesh (37:39): Because if you go to my YouTube, I do a lot of short movies and I direct and I act in them. So, you can go check out my YouTube channel. I create short movies, like three minutes, five minutes, 10 minutes with a powerful message.

Amy (38:01): Fantastic. Well have to put the link in the show notes. Thank you for that. 

Hitesh: (38:05): One of my passion as a kid was to be an actor, but obviously with a disability, it would be a hundred times harder. And when you go to India, everyone wants to be an actor. So, I’m like, you know what, Ill just use side story and try to find a way that if I dont, Ill do it myself.

Amy (38:34): I love it. So, not only will you create the role that you will play, but you will create the role that only you can play.

Hitesh (38:46): So, thats another thing, I dont know what the future unfolds. Because I do create short story movies. And one of my crazy goal is to create my own web series, where I can have it on platforms like Netflix and Amazon, but thats the next step. Because Im already working on too many things.

Amy (39:17): There’s no shortage of ideas here for you. You are incredible with all of the talents and all of the ambitions that you have. Not just for yourself, but for the world.

Hitesh (39:29): So theres one short movie you should watch on my YouTube. My YouTube HetishR. Go watch this short movie was directed by me, Rich vs Poor. I think that people in the US will love it.

Amy (39:50): Excellent. We’ll make sure to link to it.

Hitesh (39:53): Yes. Thats a crazy video. It went viral.

Amy (39:59): Excellent. So, Rich vs Poor on Hitesh Rs YouTube channel. Be sure to check that out. Hitesh, where is your book available in the US? Is it on Amazon or do we need to order it from a bookstore?

Hitesh (40:12): So, initially it was online, it was in bookstores, but then I realized my book sales online were not doing so well. But, whenever I did a keynote, lets say a keynote to 500, I bring 300 books. All of it would sell out, because I understood that when people see me, they hear the story, they buy. So instead of focusing online, I started doing offline so sorry to your audience. They cant get my book online, but you can get online content of the book and the work I do on Instagram, YouTube, Facebook. Look for Better than Normal.

Amy (41:06): Excellent. And the other way to get your book, I guess, would be to bring you in, to speak at our companies and buy your book. Buy a signed copy in the back of the room, as soon as the talks over. Right?

Hitesh (41:17): So thats the best Ive done. Unfortunately, Ive done only two keys in US and the crowd went bizarre. They have never seen such a keynote. So, one of my dreams is to do more keynotes in the US, but I have also heard that America is a very competitive game when it comes to speaking. Its like a king in India.

Amy (41:53): Yes, as a professional speaker here, I have to say that that’s true, but I think theres room for everybody. I think theres a stage for everyone here. And hopefully when COVID restrictions lift and the world goes back to some semblance of normal or better than normal Hitesh, well see you here on a stage. And if you make it to the US, please let me know. Because I would travel to see you and to be in that audience.

Hitesh (42:18): I had one keynote this year, I think it was at Boston, somewhere in Boston. But we had to call it off because of the COVID-19 situation. In fact, this was the best year because I had inquiries from UK, Qatar, Malaysia, and they all got cancelled.

Amy (42:45): Well, we will get them back. It will all come back. I am sure of it.

Hitesh (42:49): Hopefully. Hopefully.

Amy (42:51): I am sure of it. Bigger in 2021. So, Hitesh, thank you so much for your time. Thank you for your message. And thank you for just putting so much of yourself into the world.

Hitesh (43:02): And me more than that, thank you for having me to the show and thank you for the work youre doing. Ive seen your podcast. Ive seen a bit of your work and its incredible. I think we need more people like you.

Amy (43:21): Thank you. Well, I hope that we can collaborate on something in the future. I would love to come to India again and visit you and see some of my friends there. And you know, maybe we can do a global tour together.

Hitesh (43:36): So I already have one opportunity for you, which ill discuss after the podcast.

Amy (43:44): Fantastic. Fantastic. All right. Well with that, because I want to hear all about this opportunity and I know that our listeners are ready to move to the next episode, but Hitesh thank you so much for being here. Thank you again and See It to Be It audience, make sure you’re checking out Hitesh on social media, and hopefully he’ll be in your area soon. 

Hitesh (44:08): Thanks guys.

Amy (44:15): So what’d you think Zach? 

Zach (44:16): Well, I mean, honestly, I was pretty humbled and it was a sobering conversation. It was sobering in that he didn’t have everything handed to him and yet he was able to create and build as he was. It was inspiring to me quite frankly. And Im excited that folks like that exist in this world. And the journey was really inspiring to me. I felt a lot of things resonate from a perspective that, its about being resourceful and also leaning on people and not necessarily kind of like being your own little silo. Like how do you build community and make sure that you have the humility to reach out and ask for help or let people know what you got going on and be willing to share your dreams, which is rare. You know, its rare to meet people who are willing to just like to push and go and let folks know exactly what theyre looking to do and what theyre looking to accomplish. We kind of hide those things until theyre big enough for us to share, and then it never gets there and then they kind of die. And so, the fact that the journey, I just found it incredible. How about you?

Amy (45:24): Yes, I love is that Hitesh has this huge goal, this huge goal, right? A metric. I want to inspire 500 million people or 500,000 people with this message and literally said, so I need to move, so I can do that. I need to go where there are more people. And that’s the goal.  And just putting it out there. And I think when we have these huge ambitions, these lofty ambitions, sometimes they may scare us and we dont share them. And sometimes were afraid to even admit to ourselves, this is the impact I want to have on the world. This is the influence I want to have. This is who I want to inspire. And I learned so much, in that conversation about put it out there, make it big. If people say its not big enough, go somewhere where people ask is that all you want to do? Because thats what hes doing. There arent enough people here. I will go to India. I will go where there are more people and I will inspire more people. And I just think thats amazing to have that kind of clarity and that kind of vision and that kind of will to make it happen.

Zach (46:34): Same. Yes. Like I said, it’s just inspiring. I found it incredible. Now, Amy, before we go, why dont we talk about where folks can find us and all that kind of stuff.

Amy (46:47): Oh, sure. So, you found this podcast somewhere, right? If you’re listening, you found it somewhere. And the best way to help other people find it is to go right back where it was, right where you picked it up and give us that six-star review. Now, Zach, you and I know there arent six stars. There are five. Whats the sixth star?

Zach (47:11): The six star is a written review of the show.

Amy (47:17): That’s right. Because when you write a review, it helps the platform know that youre a real person, not a bot, not some click farm somewhere, and that you really engaged and that this really meant something to you. So, if this story meant something to you, if this series means something to you, please give us that sixth star by writing that review and sharing this on social media, share it with your friends, talk about it, in your zoom calls, you need something to talk about. Talk about Living Corporate and See It to Be It. And get people engaged in this because we really are, I feel like such a small part of this, but this is a movement. This is a moment where we can really make a difference in whose stories get told and how they get told and who gets to tell them.

Zach (48:01): Absolutely. Look, Amy, I just want to thank you again. Shout out to the See It to Be It series and shout out to you all, first and last time listeners, black and brown people everywhere, aspiring allies, you know what I mean? All of you all. We love you all and until next time, youve been listening to Living Corporate. Catch you all soon. Peace.

Living Corporate is a podcast by Living Corporate LLC. Our logo was designed by David Dawkings. Our theme music was produced by Ken Brown, additional music production by Antwan Franklin from Musical Elevations. Post-production is handled by Jeremy Jackson. Got a topic suggestion? Email us at You can find us online on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and Thanks for listening. Stay tuned.

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