See It to Be It : Diversity Director (w/ Safiya Reid)

Amy C. Waninger welcomes Safiya Reid, the Director of Diversity & Inclusion at PURE Insurance, to the podcast to share her career journey and more. Check the links in the show notes to connect with Safiya!

You can find Safiya on LinkedIn.


SPEAKER 1 0:10

Sophia, welcome to the show. I’m so glad to have you.

SPEAKER 2 0:13

I’m glad to be here.

SPEAKER 1 0:15

Thank you. So, you know, I just want to jump right in, can you tell us a little bit about your journey to the role you have now, because you’ve sort of done a little bit of everything. And I think a lot of young people especially think like, you know, when somebody says, what do you want to be when you grow up? They think they have to have the definitive answer. And I think your career journey is the perfect example of what happens in the real world. So can you tell us about that?

SPEAKER 2 0:44

Right, because you have your own plans, and then you have when that actually meets reality, and so for me, I worked after college, I similar to kind of have, that’s why I have a close affinity with the recent graduates that either grabbed me last year or this year, or getting ready to graduate because I came out of in oh seven, so a year before the market crash, and I ended up getting laid off several months after that, and kind of early 2009. And just how difficult that was, but at least we had bars and happy hours, we could at least go drown our unemployment sorrows in a drink or two. So that’s why I feel like it’s I mean, I cannot imagine how difficult this must be for them. But I definitely have that experience. There. What I will say is one of the things that I was looking for, as I was trying to get back into the workforce after kind of this crash and burn experience, because of the recession, is I just wanted to be on payroll, but that was my sole purpose, right? I just needed to get it to be able to take care of myself. And so I, you know, in hindsight, I was desperately seeking jobs, you know, over the course of eight or nine years. And so that included me going back to grad school and included, you know, merchant processing, luxury retail market research, I call it like my wander years. And it was because I was, it was so difficult. I was I kept bringing a different version of myself, this the version that I thought other people wanted to be or what I was told was professional. And because of that, you can only show up as yourself as some other version of yourself. But for so long, before things all start to crumble. And those are just things I did not understand coming out of college when I didn’t know that I needed to assess an employer for their capability to enable and empower me to bring my whole self to work, because so when I got to pure, I kind of always say I fell into Putin’s arms at that point, I had been searching for so long. And I won’t say I’ve worked in toxic places. But I will say I worked in places that prepared me to appreciate everything that you are does. And so I got when I got here, I still didn’t necessarily know who I wanted to be in what I wanted to do, because there was just all of this noise from switching jobs every year, every year and a half and disappointment and the frustration that goes along with that and getting so pure after about the first eight months. You know, I’m like, all right, everyone’s drinking the Kool Aid Kool shore. And then I’m like, Oh, that’s really cool. It’s actually like healthy infused lemon basil water like, and they’re like, alright, well, so now just now I’m just waiting for the other shoe to drop. And I’m like, No, everyone’s kind of walking around barefoot on the grass, like, there is no shoe to drop. And so just being able to have that stability. That’s what kind of quiet and all that noise. And that’s when I was finally able to figure out Hey, what do you like to do? You know, like less about what you want, who you what you think your calling is, but what are the things that you enjoy doing. So we have passion courses at tour. So I was able to start off in this office manager role. But because I was also able to take oil PT, I was able to take a business intelligence course, and learn SQL and kind of expand my Excel skills, took a wine course because you know, all we did was drink wine for several weeks, but it didn’t matter cuz you know, my job pay for it, they have the fundamental understanding that happy people do better work. So whatever we can do to facilitate your happiness outside of work, they know that the business will be better off because of it. And so and that’s really between all of these different opportunities to kind of try out things that I did that I liked, didn’t like outside of the organization, but also had the opportunity to have cross functional projects and have you know, leadership that was invested supremely invested in my development. Those were the things that made all the difference. So that’s why I can say after not working anywhere longer than a year and a half. That’s why it’s such a testament really to pure in the organization and the inclusive culture that they’ve built that I’ve now been here for roles. Four and a half years, all the way starting from office manager messing around in the compliance world for surplus lines. And then also now taking kind of my outside experience from my undergrad as well as graduate days and, and taking that and moving into diversity inclusion in this new world.

SPEAKER 1 5:18

Thank you for that. That’s, yeah, I, I love that, right. So you start out with like, this powerful need to eat.

SPEAKER 2 5:27

Basic fundamental.

SPEAKER 1 5:28

Basic fundamentals like I don’t want to, I don’t want to live, you know, on the street, and I need food. And you’ve, you’ve managed to find this place that that embraces you, as you as a professional. I want to go back to something you said, though, about what you were told professionalism was, and there is so much white supremacy and so much patriarchy built into the word professional, or the concept of professional in most environments. And I was wondering if you could if you could kind of enlighten folks on what does it feel like to be in that kind of strict professionalism? From your perspective? Like, how do people know when they’re not in a place? Right? If everywhere they’ve ever been has been like that, they may not know that that’s what they’re dealing with? Can you kind of expand upon that? And what that feels like?

SPEAKER 2 6:23

Yeah, what it can feel and look like, is you working somewhere, you know, in code switching and covering. So if you’re having a conversation, and you weigh I know, sometimes I’ll have a joke, and in my head that I’m getting ready to, like, make a reference to, and then I’ll say, Oh, no, they might the people I’m talking to you, they’ve never seen or heard or anything like that, and then I’ll just stop. And then it’s like, well, no, now I’m kind of in this place where I’m power, like, No, I’m going to keep going with the job, I’m going to give the reference point, who cares, if they’ve never heard of Katt Williams were seen belly before, they’re going to now have that experience, because that’s a part of who I am like, and it relates to me, and so, um, I think from like, the term professional, you find yourself, you know, when I say tucking away your blackness, covering all of the pieces of you, that actually allow people to be able to connect with you. And so, you know, in conversations, you know, if you find ourselves, you know, you might be giving a virtual side I and that’s, that’s us saying, hey, you don’t feel comfortable here. Because if it’s something enough to elicit some sort of visceral response, where you don’t feel good, and you don’t feel like you have the opportunity to actually be able to discuss it, that’s, to me, like the flashing red warning indicator on there. And so, you know, we’ve, when I think back to some of the professional training that I had in undergrad, you know, we had visuals and it was very much, you know, you had to straighten your hair and, you know, put on the pearls and all of these different things. And a lot of it was masked as tradition. But even the nuance in that, in that tradition is that it’s steeped in patriarchy, and white supremacy as well. So it’s about one under and these are and I went to an HBCU. So it’s one about understanding that, you know, that position that, you know, HBCUs are kind of in in that they know what’s waiting for you on the outside, and they want to prepare you for that. But it’s hard to prepare you for a world that is not going to accept you as who you are. Right. So what I what I’ve been encouraged by is some recent recruiting that I’ve been able to do down at Spelman. And they had a reverse career fair, which I thought was like this most novel, fantastic idea where students don’t come to the employers, employers go to the students. And so they had it set up with essentially campus organizations. And so the campus organizations, they’re there because they want sponsorships as well for the events that they’re doing. And so they’re not sending just regular member organizations, they’re actually sending their leadership. And so to be able to watch these young women talk about the things that are passionate to them, the organizations that they are involved with, was it just with so much pride, and you could no one was covering no one’s tucking away who they are, I was impressed because like, this is not what it looked like 1012 years ago when I was on campus. So I’m, I’m encouraged that it’s going that’s definitely evolved and it’s progressing in a good way. And we have organizations that are making space and are kind of tearing down what it means to be professionalism, professional, and even things like crown act with legislation with California saying, you know, locks and grades and so there’s all of these things happening on all these different levels. Where, you know, it is changing, relatively speaking, and so and in hopefully in a in a good way, but its Yeah, that’s what that’s kind of Willie can look like and I think that’s what, when it’s changing it also [Inaudible].

SPEAKER 1 10:07

I appreciate that. And so, you know, I know you said when you went when you got to pure it was different. But, and I hope it’s okay that I asked about this, because when we spoke before, you took a pretty serious risk in your work to get the role that you have now, I mean, you kind of already kind of laid a bunch of stuff out there. And I, I would love for you to tell that story. Because, you know, in your case, that bold move paid off. Right. And I think I think people need to hear those stories that, you know, are sitting there wondering like, is it worth the risk? Because a lot of times we hear about the times when people are, you know, escorted out of the building for being honest and sharing their truth. But, you know, there, there are cases where when you take a leap, and that appears, and I was wondering if you could tell us a little bit about that story, how you move from your previous role into this one in DNI?

SPEAKER 2 11:06

Sure, I was I was pretty well into the compliance management role. And I was even thinking about kind of taking going in a different trajectory, because I’d be playing around with robotic process automation, and just different innovations. And so literally could not be two different kind of trajectory. So that’s what I was thinking about. That’s what I had voiced, as what would be the next step to my manager and kind of hadn’t thinking about some ideas of what that would look like. And then, you know, you watch eight minutes of George fluid losing his life, and what, so what that does to you is, and this is on the heels of Rihanna Taylor, this is on the heels of a monarchy. And so you just don’t have enough time to process and ultimately, what happens when you’re in the workplaces, even though you know, you can’t cover but you don’t cover but for so long, it still doesn’t stop you from trying to do it. And so the moment I became free at pure was when after this was some other time, you don’t even remember what the incident was, because there’s just so many of you compartmentalize all of them until you get to that breaking point where you can’t you have your breakdown, and then you have to start kind of all over again, otherwise, because you’d be in a rage every single day to James Baldwin’s point. And so I had a very honest, transparent conversation about the wealth gap about systemic racism, inequality, stuff like that with my, my former SVP. And that’s kind of what opened up this relationship where I could feel comfortable being myself was like, Oh, wait a minute, I said, the quiet part out loud. And it built a relationship, you know, it actually took it a couple of steps deeper. So fast forward, I so I already kind of had this environment where I felt comfortable in my own skin. And so our CEO, this was the Monday after Monday morning, after all the protests, I feel like we’ll always remember that Monday morning. And he sent an email, essentially saying, hey, we’ve gotten by just resting on our laurels. We thought being good was enough. Um, and it’s not. And it’s not just enough to be non-racist, we have to be anti-racist, so long, kind of the same lines. And so I had no intentions of responding to that email. No, I was I was like, okay, it was nice. It was nice that he gave a nod, like there was an acknowledgement, especially juxtaposed to my husband at the time, who’s his CEO had just done an all lives matter post that very same morning. So even just within the same household, we’re dealing with all these different dynamics. And so I got into a management meeting. And then something kind of just struck me within that meeting, being the only person of color only man but only manager on the black manager on the team. And I said, you know what, I got I do have something to say. And so what was supposed to be, you know, a paragraph or two turned into this like Aliyah style four page letter, it took two and a half hours, before I knew it. And I think I read it to Nick first. And I was like, I was like, there’s a possibility that he could leave by SEO can leave his email thinking, I can’t see my principal. Very possibility. And I was I looked at Meg and I was like, Are we okay? With me being fighting today? Like, are we okay with that? And he was just like, you can’t use this, like, Look, you can’t lose fighting for your truth. You can’t lose standing in your truth. We’re okay with getting fired today. And so I press send, and then went out, and we, later that evening, with some protests, came back, had an email from my CEO and had a call from my SVP of HR. And so obviously, I didn’t get fired. So, and what she told me was like, you know, we got a lot of responses, you know, from your colleagues, just really being excited about kind of, you know, us taking a stand and acknowledging it. She’s like, but then we got a couple responses like yours that made us take a harder look at ourselves in the mirror and kind of re-evaluate what are our values? And how are we living these values every day, not necessarily just performing them with living. So fast forward two weeks later, that’s when I hear about the announcement of this new senior role for diversity inclusion. And I walked back and forth pacing this very quaint condo only to try to convince myself that it was not what I was supposed to do. But in all reality, it was what I was already doing. So I had already been working with, you know, when I met our SVP of HR, I had already worked with her on some recruiting events down at Spelman and More house, just because I was naturally interested, I was already reaching out to my colleagues who were going up for positions and connecting them with other people that I knew who maybe they didn’t know, because they didn’t have cross functional opportunities. Um, you know, I was already donating, because we have our employee donation matches. And we also have unlimited volunteer time off. So I was already taking time to go do big brother Big Sister stuff with my little niece. She’s always in a play, and it’s always in the middle of the day, I don’t. But I don’t have to worry about not being able to attend because I have, you know, this flexibility. So it was kind of theirs like, no, you’re already doing this. And relatively speaking, I think, you know, the events from earlier this summer, wherever you were, you knew it just wasn’t enough. And that’s different for everyone, wherever you are, relatively speaking. But for me, my waking non-working hours were dedicated to, you know, this liberation of minorities, and I got to a space was like, No, my waking hours, were my waking working hours also needs to be dedicated to this as well. And so that’s kind of how the opportunity and I interviewed went through the process put forth a really bold initiative, because of pure being the unique place that it is where it’s not kind of starting from scratch or ground zero, we kind of have the luxury of being able to put forward some really bold, audacious ideas. So for instance, on the giveback front shore, where we already have an insurance Foundation, we’re already sending, you know, money to different organizations along with people to volunteer. In addition, with that donation, how do we take it a step further? Well, giving back isn’t just cutting checks, you know, we are rehabbing million dollar homes every day, how much of the vendors that were paying that? How many of those are my new our minority owned businesses? What’s spend with minority owned businesses? Are we tracking that? So there’s just so many ways for DNI to be integrated? And I’m really excited if you can probably sell just about all the possibilities. Because like I said, if you would have asked me, January, what would you be doing by the end of the year? I would have certainly told you Oh, yeah, I’m building bots. That’s what I would have bet that’s what have been my answer. I’m building bonds and getting into innovative technology. But you can only run from your true passion and calling but for so long.

SPEAKER 1 18:09

That is absolutely true. I know so many people who are in that space, I want to ask you there is you know, there’s a lot of trauma, personal trauma to process right now. With you know, the, the cold blooded murders of black people by police, the cold blooded, cold blooded murders of vigilantes, right, you know, by vigilantes of Black Lives Matter protesters, you know, the pandemic and the health disparities are, you know, kind of being put in the spotlight right now, you know, with black men dying at a higher rate than any other demographic from COVID? How do you know I’m not sure when I ask this question, right. But there’s a lot of personal trauma to process. And I think some people use work as a way to escape from being in that space of dealing with the personal and collective trauma. How do you keep yourself whole when your work and your volunteer time and your personal life all exist within the space of you know, standing up to actively dismantling oppression? That’s got to be exhausting.

SPEAKER 2 19:32

Yes and no. Right. So the standing up part at least for me the actual doing that’s what the relief is. That’s what the break is because at least I can say I am actively working because we all have no have lanes. We all have lanes that we were called to. And oftentimes we find we’re in other lanes, other people’s lanes because we’re trying what’s new, but ultimately, you know, you cannot be deterred when you are in your lane. Doing what you’ve been called to do. And so for me, I think what was difficult from a trauma standpoint, because you’re not just dealing with your own personal trauma, then you’re also dealing with, you know, trauma of your friends and family members who are also being affected by what’s going on, but at different levels. So I mean, we see it, you know, you named a couple examples, but we even I think COVID is doing and to some extent, our political climate is really shining a light and exacerbating the areas where we had issues already, like, we wouldn’t have to worry about socially distancing in in elementary schools or middle schools, if we had the recommended teacher to student ratio, we would already been you know, so all it’s doing is highlighting what we have known has been issues across the board from a health standpoint, you know, in from broadband internet access, half the country not being able to get online and be able to do schooling, which is why you see a pushback, sometimes why people want to be so there’s all these different factors. And so you almost sometimes you feel like you’re in the inception of racism, right? And then you turn around, and then you have, you know, from our current administration, that is now banning all sorts of critical race theory and unconscious bias training. And so which is essentially the core that’s given us the language and the tools to be able to discuss what’s happening around us. And we’re saying, look, let’s take the language away, because we can, we can stop, you know, if we can take the language, we then can stop trying to stop talking about it. And so obviously, it’s…

SPEAKER 1 21:39

That’s a very definition of censorship, by the way, the very definition the government telling you, you can’t use certain words. That’s exactly what censorship means. And I just, anyway, go ahead.

SPEAKER 2 21:54

Is there I think I just saw this quote, like, if hypocrisy is happening in broad daylight, then you know, corrupt power is happening in the shadows, or something, I just saw that quote, it was like in the Washington Post, earlier this week, but um, you know, you it’s, you’d be crazy to think that all of these things aren’t affecting you at any given time. And then you deal with the generational and then also the familial trauma as well within the community. So there’s colorism and then. So all these other different factors that are always at play, you deal with, you know, generational wealth, and the fact that, you know, most families of color are nine times out of 10, paying their money backwards to help their families that are struggling, because they’re the ones first generation have probably gone to college, versus families that are able to pay it forward and actually start building wealth. So again, and then, you know, we work I work for an insurance agency, where we literally serve the most, some of the most privileged people in the world, but that’s what the P in pure stands for, like, so it’s literally embodied in the name. So yeah,

SPEAKER 1 23:06

Mean, that literally,

SPEAKER 2 23:08

Literally is permitted underwriters reciprocal exchange, like the P stands for privilege. And so, but to the same extent, you often you kind of use that as a motivator to make amends and to say, well into show this is who we are, like part of our vision statement is that we’re fostering a diverse, equitable, inclusive environment next, tangibly felt invisible, and not just our in our member in our employee, as well as in our communities, like we have to be able to see and feel that everyone there. So I’d be lying to you, if I said, it doesn’t kind of get to you, especially when we’re bombarded by a constant barrage of news cycles. And in in one and literally something that could 10 years ago, any given story from a given week could have been a six month thing, but in this cycle, it’s literally just a couple of hours, because there’s just so much insanity happening around us so many things that we can agree that we understand, like we clearly know where it’s rooted from where it comes from. But just I think what I struggle with is obviously what we’re seeing is an absolute like control, crises of power wanting people to stay in power. But I think was difficult that wow, like you’re willing to do that. We know you’re willing to do that at the cost of someone else’s existence, but the inability to see and acknowledge how the price that other communities are paying the ability and knowledge I think that’s the most frustrating part because now the gas lighting that’s where that’s where I draw the line like we I don’t want to have the conversations with you trying to Gaslight me about what is happening And has been happening all around us. So to your question, I know I went all the way around the world and came back, I certainly do feel it, I’ve used it on my best days, I use it as motivation to keep going forward. And it’s true motivation and fuel. And on the days where personally, it’s just tough to manage that take a mental I got to say, you know, I might go by plan, I may go watch a documentary or a TV show that feels, particularly, you know, rejoice well, or at least redemptive. So I’ve been really enjoying Lovecraft country that that’s been on and just unpacking all the nuances there. So yeah, I journaling every day devotions, all sorts of things to really keep your emotional and mental and spiritual health. You know, sound.

SPEAKER 1 25:55

Absolutely. And, you know, I know some folks who, you know, it’s, they feel like they can’t get away from, right, what’s like, it’s like, I just need a break, I just need a break. And it’s like, there’s almost no place to go to get that break. And, you know, when you’re living it 24, seven, personally and professionally, right, there’s, that’s just, that’s a lot. And I don’t, I don’t want to overlook that this work is particularly draining. When, when you’re fighting for yourself, right, when it’s, there’s something almost, you know, there’s, there’s like this badge of honour given to allies, right, that, like you do the minimum. And everybody thinks you’re great, right? And I’ve seen that, right? Because I’ve been mistaken for allies in different communities that I actually belong to. And, you know, people Oh, you’re such a great ally. And then they find out you’re part of that, that group? And they’re like, oh, okay, well, we’re glad you’re here. It’s like, all of a sudden, you’re not, you know, you’re like, nobody really wants to hear it anymore. Once they realize like, oh, you’re here for you. Okay, well, you’re supposed to be here, where else would you be? And so, you know, I want to make sure that, yeah, I want to honour you for the work that you’re doing, but also for the, for the place from which you’re doing it. Because I think right now is a really, you know, it’s a difficult time for everyone, it’s especially difficult for black women, who, you know, apparently, you know, just are completely unprotected, right? If we look at the example of Briana Taylor and others, and I’m just so grateful that you’re here and that you’re doing this work, and particularly that you’re doing it in the most privileged, literally heart of the insurance industry, right, which has historically been white dominated, male dominated, you know, not, I mean, the insurance industry even has a history of, you know, having insured people as property, yes, in in the inception of our country. So, I just, I think this work is so important, I think where you are, and what you’re doing is remarkable, and critical to moving us forward in so many ways, as an industry and as a country and as a people. And I’m just so grateful for that. And thank you.

SPEAKER 2 28:18

Thank you. And I appreciate you for providing platforms like this, you’ve been able to get, you know, continued connections and folks that I’ve met through you through the people that you’ve connected me to, all of that is greatly appreciated, because, you know, we’re all granted we make we’re in different, like I said, kind of going back to that idea of lanes, like we all kind of have our lane or particular calling, and when someone can help you along with your lane and vice versa, especially when we’re all going kind of working towards the same, you know, critical goal, that that that makes it all the more and more Enjoy. Thank you. And I was going to say for what it’s worth the poor will also because I’m not sure I would have taken this position at any, and very many other companies. But because you mentioned like that fight. And so yeah, to your I remember when I responded to my CEO that original time, and I said like it’s so important to be, you know, acknowledge when you’re just fighting for humanity. And so that fight is certainly happening outside of our kind of virtual walls. But I think what’s helpful and crucial, probably not even couple, it’s probably the underpinning of it, is that I don’t have to fight within the organization. Like I don’t have to make the case to anyone that, you know, we’re, you know why we’re doing anything that is already a foregone conclusion. And I think I would have a really difficult time, if not, wouldn’t be able to work in an environment where I had to convince anyone of that diversity, equity and inclusion are landmarks that need to be embedded in our foundation. I don’t think I’d be able to inviting me where I am now personally.

SPEAKER 1 30:05

Yeah, it’s a different conversation when your CEO has said, we need to be anti-racist instead of not racist, versus your CEO who said, all lives matter get over it

SPEAKER 2 30:17

Too different.

SPEAKER 1 30:18

Much different worlds. Although I will say that I have talked to plenty of people whose CEOs have been in that former camp, saying the right things, but when the rubber meets the road, that’s not really where they are. And so I think it’s I think it’s wonderful that, that you work for a company with that kind of integrity, that says it means that and is willing to grow into what they see themselves as aspirationally. So that is huge. Can I ask you, Sofia, where do you go for community, for your work?

SPEAKER 2 30:51

For my work? So we have, I remember, this was when I was still in my previous role working out of our Rossville office we had at that time, because I was the first black person, first person calling that office altogether. And that was the chase for quite a bit of time. And then we had maybe like three black women joined over a period of time, and I think, and so I said, you know, when I spoke to them, and you know, was building relationship, I want to say we’re on the fourth one. It’s kind of like we almost got antsy, like, oh, let’s take her out to lunch. And so we sent I sent a message, and like to just everyone in the all black women off like, Hey, you guys want to take you know some time to lecture today? Anyone? Yeah, yeah. And so that informally became like our black girl magic chat. So it’s like BGF. And so anytime someone else joined the office, we go right back, hey, join us, you know, adding on so and so who do you want? So I remember that Monday morning after the protest, before my CEO sent an email or anything like that. I went on to that channel. Listen, ladies, like, I was like, I don’t know how you’re feeling. But if it’s similar to mine, it’s pretty heavy. And if someone actually was wrong today, you tell them like we don’t. It’s bad enough that we have to suffer. I was like, but Gone are the days of suffering in silence. Like, you know, people complained about that week, like, oh, man, this was such an exhausting week. And I was like, oh, really, like my existence is exhausting.

SPEAKER 1 32:20

That’s every week. Yeah.

SPEAKER 2 32:23

So what but I appreciate I appreciate, you know, those moments. So that’s kind of my little my, my BGM blackroll magic chat is where I go. And then we actually do within this organization have. So one of our ERG’s that we’re putting together is an ally ERG. So we’re actually going to give resources to people in our organization, who want to be a better ally, because I’m like, you I don’t like let’s not throw out the term all willy nilly. Like, it’s not just about, you know, a post here or post there some sort of declaration, it’s about your work, or who are you are you advocating for, you know, people who don’t look like you, when you’re your own power you using your specific talents and tools and resources and privileges to help and bring someone else up to? Or to at least or to get, eradicate the barriers that would prevent someone from rising up to where you are. So, um, it’s been, I’m glad that I’ve been able to have really genuine relationships across the board, regardless of race, gender, socioeconomic status, just religion, or what have you, like, I’ve been able to have and so I do feel like I have a community here. And you’re like, there’s some people that I only call just to talk about weird documentaries that I saw, you know, like, I didn’t, you know, like the vow, I’m watching that. And that kind of has like, my sweet spot of cults and corruption and financial. That’s, that’s like the best part, you know, like, wild, wild country, like, who can I talk? So I have, like, you know, I have my folks who, who I want to talk about Lovecraft, or what we just saw this week. So it’s, it’s great to be able to have a community at work, it’s necessary, but it’s also really important as well to have that community outside as well.

SPEAKER 1 34:09

Absolutely. Sofia, thank you so much for your time today. I am so grateful to know you and so grateful to have had you on the show. And I hope that folks will connect with you on LinkedIn, we’ll make sure to put your LinkedIn link in the show notes so people can follow your career and all of the amazing things that you’re doing a pure and everything that you will do from here on out, which I just can’t wait to see. Thank you.

SPEAKER 2 34:31

Thank you so much, Amy. I appreciate if anything I can ever do. I’m here.

SPEAKER 1 34:36


SPEAKER 3 34:42

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